Hansen: Suarez goes down too easily

Shamikebab said:
Are they making mistakes? Or is their job impossible to do as accurately as fans demand?
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I think so yes.

Its not even mistakes a lot of the time, they make a choice to not enforce the laws of the game.

A red card offence is a red card offence whether it happens in the 1st, 43rd or 90th minute of the match.

Yellow cards are issued for tackles that are perfectly fine, while they ignore a player constantly fouling and stopping play the whole match,

They dont know which way a throw in has gone, so they guess, when the law says if they dont know who touched it last the throw in goes to the attacking side.

They make a choice to not penalise shirt pulling in the box, they make a choice to not give a decision the same penalty in the 18yard box as they would give on the out field.

They make a choice to not penalise players kicking the ball away on free kicks, or Goal keepers taking 30 seconds to take a goal kick.

They allow themeselves to be swayed on the decisions they give against the home and away sides, when their job is to enforce the laws of the game equally across both sides.

Combine that with the shear amount of mistakes they make as well, and they are a pretty poor bunch.

You can argue about the speed of the game, the speed of the game isnt the issue, they are the ones paid to get it correct, they must find a way of doing so.
 
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bagsjoni said:
That's why i asked you a question that you guys said it had no relevance. Saying its ok i meant it is and will always be part of the game like any other mistakes that i highlighted but i wasn't saying it right that's why i said the ref should be there to punish it.

And if the ref doesn't see it or punish it it will join all the other mistakes that went unnoticed that doesn't mean it won't be unfortunate. Any yes its not a players fault if he dives and the ref doesn't see it. Its the refs fault.
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We could barely decipher it, I'm stil not entirely sure what was being asked.

If a player dives then he's cheating, caught or not. The ref working it out doesn't affect that. I hope all dives are seen as such by the ref but it's just not going to happen so players need to be encouraged to protect the spirit of the game, and the ref to give fouls when they occur, should a player go down or not.
 
What spirit of the game are you on about?

Players constantly surrounding refs, players claiming throwins/corners when they rightly know it came off them, general awful intended tackles and managers intimidating referees, there is no spirit of the game, it's win at all costs now
 
Purdy said:
What spirit of the game are you on about?

Players constantly surrounding refs, players claiming throwins/corners when they rightly know it came off them, general awful intended tackles and managers intimidating referees, there is no spirit of the game, it's win at all costs now
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Exactly, I can think of 3 examples of good sportmanship in the past 20 odd years:

Fowler vs Arsenal,
The league 2 team (I think) that allowed the opposition to score straight from kick off as their goal shouldn't have stood.
Klose in the recent game in Italy (although there are rumors going round that was only due to the ability be fined etc post game through the use of video replays irrespective of if the Ref has seen it that Serie A have introduced - hell something like that needs to be brought in as standard)
 
But for the years i have watched foot ball no team has ever expected fairness from the other. All team expect fairness from the ref. Players are not ruining the game refs are. Players being fair to their opponents is not going to happen irrespective of the noise.

A simple question for you Gilly (i hope you get to understand it this time)
if a striker by passes a defender on his way to the box and the defender realizes he is already beaten an pulls the striker's shirt and brings him down is the defender cheating or not?
 
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He's broken the laws of the game. Full stop.

Not sure what you're getting at. Bringing an opponent down without even going for the ball shouldn't happen in the same way diving shouldn't, and they get similar punishments if caught.
 
Exactly and i was getting at us acknowledging that there are set up rules in football for players to follow while on the pitch. Any one breaking these rules is trying to win a game in a wrong way or as it in this argument he is trying to cheat his way to the result.

Every foul committed is an attempt by a player to get good results using the back door. And usually a game has over 20 Fouls meaning it has 20 cheating attempts whether seen by the ref or not. Making nearly every player a cheat.

The work of the ref is to deal with the numerous cheating attempts and punish them as they deserve.

So due the current prize amounts and the increased competition many players will definitively try to cheat they by passing the rules and they are not going to stop doing that because there is no guarantee that the other team will also stop.

So the ref have to up their game or better methods of strictly applying the rules have to be introduce.

Suarez might have tried to cheat or bypass the rules by diving because probably he thinks his good at it or it gives better results in his position but in the same measure Huth was busy cheating / by passing the rules by kicking every player that threatened to bypass him.

What is killing the game is people concentrating on one tiny area and leaving the others. We should enforce all the rules of the game period.The stroke coach being furious at Suarez cheating and seeing No cheating from his men will only make every body defend their own.

So in reality if Suarez or Young dives three times in a game and Agger or Vidic brings some one down 6 times in a game then the defender will have attempted to cheat more than the striker. There fore if we were to honestly make a list of cheats Suarez wouldn't get this exaggerated stick he is getting or some of the guys appearing as angels in the game might find themselves up there on the list with him
 
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Assuming he's only referring to intentional fouls then it's not. A player that trips another with no intention of playing the ball is morally no better than a player that dives. They've both intentionally broke the laws of the game in an attempt to gain an advantage.
 
Check BaZ's comment why, it's pretty clear you initially meant any foul, deliberate or otherwise.

Unless you really do think a deliberate foul occurs 20 times per game :p.
 
The example he used in a previous post did refer to deliberate fouls. Whether he thinks and whether there are 20 of those per game is another thing though - you must remember that Liverpool's last game was against Stoke so 20 is probably a conservative estimate ;)
 
BaZ87 said:
Assuming he's only referring to intentional fouls then it's not. A player that trips another with no intention of playing the ball is morally no better than a player that dives. They've both intentionally broke the laws of the game in an attempt to gain an advantage.
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ok - but an "intentional" foul on the half way line can not be compared in any way to a dive in the penalty box.

While its also the case that there are enough "dives" in general areas of play, its surely a reasonable assumption that 90% + of the dives that occur actually happen in the penalty box (or close enough to potentially be given as inside, which surely counts for the same thing)
 
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