Harry Redknapp gone

StooM said:
I'd be happy with that, I dont really look at his time at Chelsea as anything other than a hiding to nothing. He never really got the team behind him and was hung out to dry imo, but I think he's got a good chance with us to put that right. He would come to us with lower expectations (than at chelsea) placed on him which should give him some time to mould his own team and hopefully a chairman that will support him.

We need someone to make us a bit more organised and someone who's a bit more strategically aware of how to change things up.
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When you arrive and basically in the first weeks line everyone up in the dressing room and one by one list a players faults, then get to the last two and tell them get out they are done at the club..... its not the club, its not the player but the managers fault.

He's got little man syndrome, he wanted to come in and be the big man and he tried to do this by arbitrarily firing a couple of guys. Firstly that's ruling through fear IF it worked, and it didn't, ruling through fear is simply a poor managerial option, you will never ever get your players giving 100%.

Look at Mourinho he kills for his players and they tend to love playing for him, he's the polar opposite of what AVB tried to do. How will spurs fans or players take to him if he walks into Spurs, lines everyone up, tells them they suck, then picks two at random to fire? Here's a hint, the players will not play for him, the two players he gets rid of might be terrible or might be good, he won't last long term, and he has no proven management skills. It's fine getting rid of Anelka and Alex, but he both didn't get anywhere near there value, nor treat them with any respect. There wasn't any good managerial "here's where I want you to improve, here's how you can improve the team, here's how I think you can get better", it was "I don't like you, I don't want to reason with you, get out". Banning them from the xmas party out of spite, refusing to let them use the gym at the same time as other players, power play that backfired spectacularly and anyone with half a brain would know it would do. You treat people like utter ****, expect exactly nothing in return.

He took over a working winning team at Porto, and continued to win, went to CHelsea and took them to their lowest finish in what, 10 years. Where has he proven he is even a half decent manager? McClown has won leagues, but Twente were a Champs league side afaik when he took over, and though he did well it was hugely the building of the side before he got there that established them, and a poor first half of the season by Ajax that let them nip to the title.

He's back there now and took a team that lost 2 games in the first half of the season to lose 6 games in the second half. Managers are a PART of a winning team, they can be the difference, but not always.

Until a manager has taken 2-3 clubs and improved them all, obviously, I wouldn't touch them with a bargepole if you were a club aiming for the top 4, monumental risk.

Mcclaren has won a league title yet none of the top 6 would go near him right now, AVB has done something every Porto manager has done, and has been worse than what 6-7 managers before him by a massive margin at Chelsea? In this league the only experience he has is almost destroying a team and showing a complete inability to compete for a title, why anyone would risk giving him a job is beyond me.
 
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drunkenmaster said:
When you arrive and basically in the first weeks line everyone up in the dressing room and one by one list a players faults, then get to the last two and tell them get out they are done at the club..... its not the club, its not the player but the managers fault.
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But do you really think he's going to come in and try to run Spurs like he tried to run Chelsea - especially after how it turned out there.

Its a completely different setup, one much more suited to the man as a manager - its a job that he can really establish himself as it is a chance to be part of building up the club pretty much from the ground up (new stadium/training facilities/internal club setup/academies etc..).

The board & owner are looking for a manager that fits into their plans, and are not going to be as volatile as RA in running the club.
 
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Where has AVB got this reputation of being a great manager that can convert teams to playing great attacking football anyway? one season at Porto? a team that already played attacking football and dominated Portuguese football before he even arrived... and why does everyone always talk about him being young as though it's some sort of advantage? since when did age matter as a manager?

It seems to me his marketing team have just done a great job at pursuading everyone that he's the next Mourinho based upon one season at Porto, even after his epic failure at Chelsea people still believe it... what if he's just not that good and the 'player power' thing at Chelsea was just a convenient excuse for how rubbish they were under him?
 
As an Arsenal fan I'm disappointed to see Redknapp go. Even in our darkest days last season I held a reasonable degree of confidence that 'Arry would stuff it up. AVB I find a much more alarming prospect.
 
mmj_uk said:
what if he's just not that good and the 'player power' thing at Chelsea was just a convenient excuse for how rubbish they were under him?
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Thats what we'll find out assuming he signs up for Spurs.

No one has said he's a great manager though, he's 34. He'd have to have done something pretty damn special to be labelled great after 3 years in management. Lets be fair though, you dont lead your team to a domestic double and the Europa League/Uefa Cup by being a **** manager.

What he has is potential. He's someone who is trying to take his own ideas and play them out on the football field/training ground - I think he deserves the chance tbh, whether he gets 2-3 years at spurs.

IMO I think it could have worked out at chelsea, but it was always going to get worse before it got better, especially given the average age of their first team and the impending need to replace a large part of what has become their backbone.

cm1179 said:
it'd be career suicide if he did
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I agree, which is why I'm kinda glad he did go to chelsea as if he came to us and tried the same thing it would have likely ended up the same way.. so he's made that mistake, now lets see what he's learnt. He is still a nipper (in management terms) - he literally is half HR's age.
 
it's not just avb's people that have talked him up, jose and sir bobby rated him highly, that said he's still learning as a manager and his next appointment will hopefully show he's learnt from his experiences at chelsea, if he doesn't then he'll go on to be an average manager.

i think he'd have a better chance at spurs as they need to do something about there centre halves, and he could bring in someone more suited to his style of play.
 
Adam_101 said:
As an Arsenal fan, I can honestly say I was very surprised. I have (as do many other mates/family member Arsenal fans) a great deal of respect for his management abilities. Spurs will no doubt be regretting this soon, if they don't already IMO.
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This is exactly how Redknapp saw it/sees it, The man is such a media whore to the extent that he really believes his own hype and what the press say about him. The truth is that he was found out for the mid table manager at best that he was, For everything that was good at spurs, He was the maker and for everything that was bad or wrong at spurs he ducked it and pointed the finger at the players.

1. The Arsenal game was a major tactical mess that he failed to apply simple football logic to, Tactically he got it wrong...BIG TIME, playing a 4-4-2 against a very attacking Arsenal formation and basically leaving parker to nullify the threat of Rosicky,Benayoun and Arteta was suicide. This game was indicative of how risky and uneducated Harry`s tactics are.

2. His dealings in the transfer market were pretty much meh, imo the signing of Parker was the only inspired purchase he made, Vdv was a levy signing and so was Ade and Sandro under the guidance of our scout. His insistence on buying older players on the cheap or players that had proven premier league experience showed that he had no bottle to sign youngsters with talent.

3. Squad rotation was poor or non-existent, Which inevitably led to our slump post Newcastle game, The fact that Arsenal seemingly did not want 3rd when handed to them was the only thing that kept us in the hunt, I watched virtually all our games last season and the one thing that was always in my mind was that this was the team that was giving us these results and someone with a bit more tactical nous would extract more than Harry could. I think it was Vdv that made reference to how much fun they have in training and Harry never uses the whiteboard for tactical instruction etc.

There is so much more that could be written on how inept Harry was as opposed to how good he was and when it was announced that Hodgson had the England job, I was both relieved and frustrated at the same time. The thing with Harry was that he thought he was untouchable at Spurs and Levy would happily give him a new mega pay contract, Though his sacking was on the cards for sometime and when you think that he has spent close to £100 million on players over 4yrs at spurs and only got champions league once, then questions and action have to come next.

I don't think Spurs will be regretting this anytime soon imo, We now have the chance to exploit our squad to it`s full potential and invest in players that will be the future of our club, I see this as step forward more than anything else.
 
StooM said:
Well if reports are to be believed, Vertonghen is in the bag, so thats not a bad start :)
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He has supposedly been in the bag for the last six weeks. It will be just another ITK otherwise known as a WUM grabbing some attention. There only seems to be just a couple quality tottenham ITK and that Pablo bloke who came up with that has a poor (non exsistant) track record.
 
teejay73 said:
I don't think Spurs will be regretting this anytime soon imo, We now have the chance to exploit our squad to it`s full potential and invest in players that will be the future of our club, I see this as step forward more than anything else.
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Welcome to the wonderful feeling of seeing the back of Harry Redknapp, more or less every Southampton fan knows this feeling and loves it.

Will be interesting to see who gets the Spurs job and how they rebuild...
 
I'd still take AVB at Spurs, he is learning and still think he would be suited well at Spurs where his chairman won't be hammering on at him for immediate results, lets not forget he was targetted with reducing the age of the Chelsea side which was also not going to make him friends with the players there.

His career to date, Chelsea aside hasnt been poor at all. Took over Academia who were relegation fodder before leading them to a midtable finish and a cup semi final in half a season. Then becoming only the 2nd manager ever to leave Porto to an unbeaten campaign, not even Jose did that there.

Hes young and learning, Spurs could be his place. If not, it looks like Blanc might get it.
 
André Villas-Boas threatens to quit Tottenham manager talks

• Villas-Boas unhappy at Daniel Levy courting rivals
• Laurent Blanc and Robert Martínez still in frame

André Villas-Boas is threatening to pull out of talks about replacing Harry Redknapp at Tottenham Hotspur after discovering the club are still speaking to other candidates at the same time as talking to him about the job.

Villas-Boas's information is also that Tottenham will sell Luka Modric to Real Madrid this summer and though that has not put him off the idea of returning to London, the former Chelsea manager is unhappy about what he perceives as mixed signals from White Hart Lane. In particular he is unimpressed the chairman, Daniel Levy, is still considering other options despite holding lengthy talks with him over the past week about taking over from the sacked Redknapp.

The Portuguese has complained to associates that "they are talking to 10 other coaches" and though that is clear exaggeration, it indicates how dismayed he is to learn that Levy has not identified him as the sole candidate.
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http://www.guardian.co.uk/football/2012/jun/20/andre-villas-boas-tottenham-manager-talks

Looks like he's moaning already! :p
 
well thats avb out of it if he is bitching already, can you imagine what he'd be like if he actually got the job, don't think levy would want that headache :).
 
Meh, sounds like a load of BS or posturing. If he's really unhappy about that fact why not just walk away rather than go blabbing (or get your agent to..) to the press.

If true, then we're probably better off without, but that remains to be seen
 
IMO it's just the media talking **** like they did over the Liverpool managerial position, only yesterday they were saying that Spurs were all set to offer AVB a contract and today they're suddenly assessing other candidates.
 
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