Harry Redknapp gone

BaZ87 said:
...will they be able to invest in their squad to maintain their challenge for a CL spot over the next few years.
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That might be a legitimate concern, but the same is true for most clubs and the situation is far from bleak. I'd only start to worry if Modric & Bale leave and aren't replaced.

No club has been able to compete with the crazy spending of Chelsea & Man City, the best to hope for is that FFP reigns them in and something sort of balance is restored to football. Chelsea's bubble hasn't exactly burst, but it looks like it's slowly deflating.

I think we all have to accept that Man Utd are going to continue to be at or near the top, and we all have to accept that City are going to be very strong for a while to come.

Despite Arsenals apparently strong financial status, their squad doesn't look unbeatable and they might've finished 5th. Unless they break with recent history and spend some money I don't see them being stronger next season.

I don't believe Liverpool or Newcastle have huge amounts of money to spend in the transfer market, and Everton certainly don't, so Spurs are in an OK position against those clubs.

The Spurs squad that had a 10pt lead for 3rd hasn't suddenly become rubbish, the right new manager will motivate them again. Clear out the deadwood and it may only take a couple of astute signings and the outlook would be a lot happier.

Going forward it looks like there no need to be overly pessimistic. Sure expectations have to be realistic - it is likely going to be a very tough, competitive season for those teams realistically looking at possible 3rd & 4th place finishes, but at least for the fans of those five clubs most likely to challenge there is reason to feel optimistic, and that include Spurs.

jakeke said:
?? FFP applies to teams in the CL, nothing to do with Spurs
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clubs have to be compliant with FFP to be allowed to participate, so finishing 3rd/4th is moot if your club just made an obscene loss
 
Meh if he doesn't get another job, It may mean we'll have to put up with more of his ramblings on TV as a pundit or something :/

God help us all!
 
BaZ87 said:
The season Spurs were in the CL they only made a profit of £0.4m. Last season (accounts haven't been revealed for that yet) they're likely to be at least £30m worse off due to failing to qualify for the CL (they made £37m from the CL and are unlikely to have made much more than £7m from the Europa League). If they haven't managed to cut their wage bill significantly and assuming there's negligible change in commercial revenue (their slightly increased shirt manufacturer and sponsorship deals don't kick in til this coming season) then it's likely that Spurs will record a reasonably large loss for the season just gone.

It might not threaten their existence but as mmj_uk says, will they be able to invest in their squad to maintain their challenge for a CL spot over the next few years.
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The wages went up 25ish mil in the season they were in the champs league, we've seen that several clubs (at least ones that aren't almost certain to be in the champs league) give more money in wages for years they are in the champs league than not. It is a big question what contracts these players are on. Get in the champs league x% a week increase in salary, is that only for seasons they are in the champs league, or is it a trigger in the contract, a bonus long term wage rise when they reach the champs league. Its likely that the wage bill will reduce by the same amount it jumped up in the season after when they don't have the champs league. So there won't be a £30mil hole, on top of that there are two things, more tv money, increasing commercial revenue, and the 40mil amortisation.

http://www.transferleague.co.uk/premiership-transfers/tottenham-hotspur-transfers.html

The vast majority of transfer spending came in 06/07 and 07/08, so on 4 or 5 year contracts most of those will be included still in 09/10 and maybe 10/11 books, but by this season gone(or maybe last season) almost all of that will disappear. That champs league year with 91mil wages, 40mil amortisation, 8.6mil from player sales.

This season will likely be back down to around 70mil wages(without the champs league wages being paid), the 40mil amortisation is likely as low as 5mil by now, and the player sales are bringing in 27mil. Add that up and you've got 55mil in lower costs(wages and amortisation) and 20mil extra in player sales profits, but only 25mil less from the champs league. So 25mil less in champs league money, and 75mil total either extra coming in or less going out. Sorry but, they are looking incredibly healthy. Even if that 20mil wages isn't reduced they are still absurdly healthy.

When you can post essentially no loss, with a 40mil amortisation cost(from simply huge purchasing over a period 4-5 years ago), you have a club capable of supporting that purchasing power. This season just gone will likely show honestly, monumental profits.

Spurs are at a point where, they didn't lose money, they made a profit most years , with one very minor loss, with significant net spending. Without the net spending they are basically a club that should be pushing 30-40mil a year in profits. With vastly increase tv money in the next few seasons, it won't really improve their profits as much as increase the amount they can spend in wages.

Making losses any one year doesn't really matter in the slightest ,FFP will be based on an average, and in general business building up some cash then expanding(in football terms, improving the squad) isn't unusual. Spurs managed to spend give or take 190mil over 3 seasons on players several years back, the amortisation costs spread over 4-5 years, and over that period they haven't posted any significant loss. When those costs are off the books, the club can support another burst of sustained spending over a similar time period, or take a very healthy profit for several seasons.
 
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simulatorman said:
AVB has been seen in London, good luck!
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Noooooesss!!!!


Can't say I'm too upset with the news tbh.. blowing 10 points was one thing, but loosing the away game at Villa was another when everything was in in their own hands. I'm not convinced he is the football master we are lead to believe. I'm convinced this is why (possibly) he was never approached by the FA. Some of the decisions this season have been shocking to say the least. This and the fact he blew two FA CUP semis only suggests he hasn't got the big match know how. Again, i refer back to the Vila game.

Harry for me was always the manager to get us so far then to let another with more experience take over, particularly with ECL. My feeling was that we qualified for that too prematurely at the time and although we did well (despite being 3 goals down in the qualifier) we need someone with the experience. So i hope we do appoint a manager with a good proven track record the club deserves. I'd love to see Gudd Hiddink but not sure that will happen.

I'm not convinced that some players will stay. Harry is a wonderful person and well respected amoungst players and those around him. The players resond to that just like DiMatteo at Chelsea. Levy better have a large open cheque book ready to continue the foundations in place, even that guarantees nothing.
 
Bit of a gamble for Spurs. They were just starting to look like contenders and then they had that slump. I would have put that down to the England job and given him another season myself. I really can't see the names being mentioned as anything other than sideways moves at best. AVB? He hardly set the world on fire at Chelsea, did he?
 
Been a spurs fan I really fear for us going downhill fast. Martin jol made way because he took the club far as he went ............

Here's hoping the powers that be have a master plan up their sleeve
 
Arry made mistakes without question, but he was also the best manager out there at Spurs current level

Levy is as guilty from lack of investment in Jan as Arry was for the disasters at the end of the season imo

Spurs are going to struggle to even get / qualify for any kind of European football from 2013/14 onwards for a number of years
 
Curio said:
Bit of a gamble for Spurs. ?
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I don't think it is.. I think Levy knows exactly what he is doing and this has been in the pipe line for sometime. It would explain the lacklustre commitment in the last two transfer windows (Parker aside) but he must be prepared to spend some cash this summer.
 
FrankJH said:
Arry made mistakes without question, but he was also the best manager out there at Spurs current level

Levy is as guilty from lack of investment in Jan as Arry was for the disasters at the end of the season imo

Spurs are going to struggle to even get / qualify for any kind of European football from 2013/14 onwards for a number of years
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Who says Levy is as guilty, he signed players, who says he didn't want Harry to go out and grab a top quality striker and Harry thought some prem league striking experience would help them out instead so he thought Saha was a better option than someone else. Levy has spent loads of money never been scared to invest and ultimately, look at the first half of the season's form. Redknapp had a squad and didn't use it, he could have changed things up and didn't, he could have dropped those who didn't perform, and didn't, he could have done a great deal of different things and didn't.

The same team performed dramatically worse, the capability was there, the manager failed to extract it, simple as that.

You have to remember its not like Spurs were okay and Arsenal were out of this world amazing to close the gap, Spurs were terrible and Arsenal were only a little above average. Arsenal won 11 games in the first half of the season, before which Spurs were massively ahead, Arsenal won 10 games in the second half of the season........

The fact is one window is never at fault. Arsenal's squad is suffering because of mistakes made anything up to 5 years ago. Spur's season is based on squad decisions made in the past 5 years as well. Spending 12mil on Palacios, Crouch, Keane, and getting rid of them all, getting rid of Pav when he's a quality striker, turning Defoe into a bit part player for no reason. If he merely played Pav and Defoe more, they'd have done better. He could have bought a less mistake prone left back, or right back years ago. He could have bought better CB's, not played a crippled CB in important games who kept making mistakes. Bought in Kranjcar and Pienaar on high wages but barely used either. Chimbonda was clearly washed up, lazy, didn't care and Redknapp threw wages at him again. Couldn't get anything out of Taarbat or Boateng, got shot of an incredibly good Bent for no reason.

It's 99% his mismanagement of squads and insistance on buying players he'll never use for no apparent reason that has cost him. There are 5-6 players he's got shot of who could have made dramatic differences this season, 4-5 players he's bought for no reason what so ever and the fundamental fact that when the team stopped performing well he had no answer.

bobo696 said:
Shocking news
He took Spurs when they were in relegation form and got them up to almost CL
Football is so ungrateful
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Spurs were not a relegation quality side, at all, suggesting so is beyond daft. At the start of that season they had Keane/Berbatov both leaving, neither playing well(or much ?) before they left, and the replacements, Modric and Pav were brand new to the country, not settled, and took a while to get into form, as did Pav. Had Ramos stayed there isn't ANY doubt they would have finished way above midtable, none at all.
 
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AVB appears to be the favourite merely because he has indicated that he would consider the job? http://www1.skysports.com/football/news/11095/7815469/AVB-interested-in-Spurs-job
If this logic is sound, should we also conclude that the Spurs job is a poison chalice and no good manager wants it?


Pardew is not interested: http://www.clubcall.com/newcastle-united/spurs-role-doesnt-interest-pardew-1438212.html
"No (the job would not interest me)," he said, when asked about the role while part of the BBC panel for Euro 2012.
"Newcastle has gone terrifically well, we've got such a good young side and I'm just hoping we keep it all together for next year and have another go at it because we'll have a good go."
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opethdisciple said:
What the hell are Spurs doing?

Who is going to replace him and do as good a job?
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I liked Redknapp for how casual he seemed to be with the players, which some of them have said is one of the main reasons for them finding form/enjoying life at The Lane. But that casual side also has a downside.

He was also a pain in the **** . The way he touted for the England job, always referred to Spurs as 'them' not 'us', we still get thumped by the other top teams, squad rotation none existant and wasting obvious talent like GDS and KPB, using Defoe as a bit part player.

Would not have minded if he stayed another year but would also like to see what a 'modern' manager can get out of the side. No old has beens, give AVB a shot at developing his project whilst the stadium is being built, which is when Spurs should really step up to the top tiers of europe again.

Its time to let Modric go as well.
 
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