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Has Hardware Unboxed just confirmed ryzen 5000 will be much faster than intel and zen2 in games?

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https://youtu.be/wU-X1JC6G9I

They go into 5600x vs 3700x @ 6:35

but most interestingly Steve said something quite affirmative at 13:44 “significant improvements”. Then Tim reigned him in by saying “going by AMd numbers of course”. But Steve pulled a smiley face. Immediately said said “we will have these benchmarks shortly...day one review”.

This sounds like they have tested the CPUs already.

i wonder if I am reading too much into this.

also amongst the general talk between 3700x and 5600x, Steve said that the productivity will be evenly matched between the two. So similar multicore scores. How does he know that without having tested the CPU? That’s not in AMD presentations. Hardware Unboxed dont generally speculate on rumours or leaked bench data. For them to say as much must mean they got some data to back it up right?
 
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pc-guy said:
https://youtu.be/wU-X1JC6G9I

They go into 5600x vs 3700x @ 6:35

but most interestingly Steve said something quite affirmative at 13:44 “significant improvements”. Then Tim reigned him in by saying “going by AMd numbers of course”. But Steve pulled a smiley face. Immediately said said “we will have these benchmarks shortly...day one review”.

This sounds like they have tested the CPUs already.

i wonder if I am reading too much into this.

also amongst the general talk between 3700x and 5600x, Steve said that the productivity will be evenly matched between the two. So similar multicore scores. How does he know that without having tested the CPU? That’s not in AMD presentations. Hardware Unboxed dont generally speculate on rumours or leaked bench data. For them to say as much must mean they got some data to back it up right?
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I'm perceiving it the same way as you - based on how he said it he's clearly tested himself and found significant improvements, but then just mentioned AMD to cover himself for NDA. Hype train almost at the station.
 
southernorth said:
I'm perceiving it the same way as you - based on how he said it he's clearly tested himself and found significant improvements, but then just mentioned AMD to cover himself for NDA. Hype train almost at the station.
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I saw Tim’s face when Steve almost let it slip. I think Steve was about to say something and Tim interjected. And that smile from Steve was like “phew, that was close!”

I do wonder what if someone reputable like Hardware Unboxed accidentally let it slip on the performance of the new CPUs and ended up creating a massive demand for AMD just 2 weeks before actual launch. Will they be punished or secretly rewarded by AMD. Lol
 
Course the 5600x is going to be faster than 3700x at gaming, its obvious looking at all the single core strength, same thing happened last gen (3600 v 2700) it will pip it at MC too probably. It will own up the 10900k as well except in games that are optimized for cores above 6.
 
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MegaPinches said:
Course the 5600x is going to be faster than 3700x at gaming, its obvious looking at all the single core strength, same thing happened last gen (3600 v 2700) it will pip it at MC too probably
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It's just interesting to me how he seems to also allude that the 5600X is actually similar to 3700X in multi-core productivity, due to IPC and speed increase. 6cores vs. 8 cores is quite an interesting uplift.
 
MegaPinches said:
Course the 5600x is going to be faster than 3700x at gaming, its obvious looking at all the single core strength, same thing happened last gen it will pip it at MC too probably
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I think that’s what he has indicated also in his video a small margin tho.

but none of those data are available based on “going by AMD’s number of course”. All we have is 19% IPC lift from zen2 to zen3. AMD has not provided any numbers for 5600x.

so I am deducing that they has testing the whole product stack other than the 5950x already.

And I reckon that whole £/frame argument will be put to bed when the bench is out as when Steve was answering the question seems to indicate that the 5600x is better value when compared with 3700x.
 
pc-guy said:
I think that’s what he has indicated also in his video a small margin tho.

but none of those data are available based on “going by AMD’s number of course”. All we have is 19% IPC lift from zen2 to zen3. AMD has not provided any numbers for 5600x.

so I am deducing that they has testing the whole product stack other than the 5950x already
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People have them now on test and are running benches and some have ended up online, there's enough out there to legit conclude the single core is very strong. Don't wanna sound like this rabid lot but its pretty obvious now that its going to be very strong single core and own for gaming.
 
southernorth said:
It's just interesting to me how he seems to also allude that the 5600X is actually similar to 3700X in multi-core productivity, due to IPC and speed increase. 6cores vs. 8 cores is quite an interesting uplift.
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It will be, same deal last gen with 3600 and 2700. If it wasn't as good or very near it would be very surprising.
 
MegaPinches said:
Course the 5600x is going to be faster than 3700x at gaming, its obvious looking at all the single core strength, same thing happened last gen (3600 v 2700) it will pip it at MC too probably. It will own up the 10900k as well except in games that are optimized for cores above 6.
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What does 'it will own up the 10900k as well except in games that are optimised for cores above 6'?

I don't understand the complete sentence? Also it will own up '?I don't understand what you're saying.
 
VortexA1 said:
What does 'it will own up the 10900k as well except in games that are optimised for cores above 6'?

I don't understand the complete sentence? Also it will own up '?I don't understand what you're saying.
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:p I'm saying in most games the 5600x will probably beat the 10900k unless its something that actually scales up with cores, im not sure of too many games that do, theres a couple.
 
VortexA1 said:
What does 'it will own up the 10900k as well except in games that are optimised for cores above 6'?

I don't understand the complete sentence? Also it will own up '?I don't understand what you're saying.
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Well it's obvious that a 6 core processor (5600x) can't beat 10900k in games that are optimised for more than 6 cores since it does not have more than 6 cores lol...
 
Yes I know that would be obvious what you just said however I didn't understand the sentence. :D I wasn't being funny.

Thanks for clearing that up Megapinches.
 
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Being optimised for more cores doesn't mean having more cores guarantees better performance.

This obsession with core counting really needs to stop.
 
pc-guy said:
https://youtu.be/wU-X1JC6G9I

They go into 5600x vs 3700x @ 6:35

but most interestingly Steve said something quite affirmative at 13:44 “significant improvements”. Then Tim reigned him in by saying “going by AMd numbers of course”. But Steve pulled a smiley face. Immediately said said “we will have these benchmarks shortly...day one review”.

This sounds like they have tested the CPUs already.

i wonder if I am reading too much into this.

also amongst the general talk between 3700x and 5600x, Steve said that the productivity will be evenly matched between the two. So similar multicore scores. How does he know that without having tested the CPU? That’s not in AMD presentations. Hardware Unboxed dont generally speculate on rumours or leaked bench data. For them to say as much must mean they got some data to back it up right?
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I mean, even AMD's figures seem to confirm the question in the thread title. Unless we'd suspect they'd lie?
 
someone bought one so reviewers should have them.

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I don't think they have the 5600X. Listen to 13:50 onwards.

They are just covering themselves imo. They might have the 5800X though.
 
Ryzen 5000 may not be the only thing faster in games..............................squeaky bottom time at Nvidia maybe :)

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Mr Oblong said:
I mean, even AMD's figures seem to confirm the question in the thread title. Unless we'd suspect they'd lie?
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I watch their videos. It is just the way they had said things about the 5000 CPUs which they didn’t speculate about in the post launch video. It makes me think that they have got definitely data to say stuff in the Oct Q&A. Anyway so far the stuff been talked on this forum has all been hearsay and speculations and stuff of the rumour mills other than the 20% IPC lift from zen2 and the 10 games data is definitive (ie AMD gave us).
 
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