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Has Hardware Unboxed just confirmed ryzen 5000 will be much faster than intel and zen2 in games?

Imagine posting something incredibly vague without adding anything to the conversation...

I've been on quite a mental journey with the Zen3 release.
Started out adamant I'd get the 8 core SKU, then when pricing released I was going to get the 5900x as it was 'only' £100 more.

Right now I'm more leaning towards the 5600x, I have a 1080ti running at 3440x1440 - so gaming really won't see much benefit.

It was always my plan to wait for reviews, i could yet end up going Zen2 or Intel - I'm not one to make a purchasing choice for my PC without fully researching first
 
I noticed during the Ryzen 5000 presentation as well that Lisa let it slip that they're going to be much faster than Intel. It was very subtle so she may have got away with it. I also noticed some slides appeared on screen which may back up my theory.
 
CuriousTomCat said:
I noticed during the Ryzen 5000 presentation as well that Lisa let it slip that they're going to be much faster than Intel. It was very subtle so she may have got away with it. I also noticed some slides appeared on screen which may back up my theory.
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i think you are referring to the IPC over time where the "competitor" line was flat line over the last 6 years where AMD line was starting from a significant deficiency to the "Competitor" to now a HUGE lead in IPC.
 
I didn't notice them confirm that ryzen 5000 would be much faster than intel and zen 2 in games, let's hope so though.
I did hear them say that they wouldn't be reviewing the 5600x first, my guess is it will be either the 5900x or 5950x.
 
Shaolin Chicken said:
I didn't notice them confirm that ryzen 5000 would be much faster than intel and zen 2 in games, let's hope so though.
I did hear them say that they wouldn't be reviewing the 5600x first, my guess is it will be either the 5900x or 5950x.
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It is the subtle things they say. Steve said before they would recommend AMD as the value package as the gaming performance is good enough and AMD blitz productivity. And before they would recommend intel as the out right gaming system if all you care about is the best gaming performance. Steve then said now it is flipped around, zen3 is the outright gaming platform, and also blitz the productivity (on similar footing as zen2). And you still have this Zen 2 which is good value.

the key is that they didn’t mention intel in those word when taking about zen3 performances in gaming when referencing our right gaming machine.
 
There's gonna be the amd card reveal then reviewers will get the cpus THEN the reviewers will get the gpus and EVENTUALLY we get to see reviewers with the whole amd systems.

This is gonna be a lot of waiting.
 
Hotwired said:
There's gonna be the amd card reveal then reviewers will get the cpus THEN the reviewers will get the gpus and EVENTUALLY we get to see reviewers with the whole amd systems.

This is gonna be a lot of waiting.
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hmm idk
r5 3600 and rx5700xt is pretty good build at the moment.. it feels like you are suggesting its impossible to build an all amd build
 
pc-guy said:
https://youtu.be/wU-X1JC6G9I

They go into 5600x vs 3700x @ 6:35

but most interestingly Steve said something quite affirmative at 13:44 “significant improvements”. Then Tim reigned him in by saying “going by AMd numbers of course”. But Steve pulled a smiley face. Immediately said said “we will have these benchmarks shortly...day one review”.

This sounds like they have tested the CPUs already.

i wonder if I am reading too much into this.

also amongst the general talk between 3700x and 5600x, Steve said that the productivity will be evenly matched between the two. So similar multicore scores. How does he know that without having tested the CPU? That’s not in AMD presentations. Hardware Unboxed dont generally speculate on rumours or leaked bench data. For them to say as much must mean they got some data to back it up right?
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From experience a 3600 matches a 2700x in productivity (basically) while beating it in gaming. If you carry that forward you could very well see the same here.
 
Shaolin Chicken said:
I didn't notice them confirm that ryzen 5000 would be much faster than intel and zen 2 in games, let's hope so though.
I did hear them say that they wouldn't be reviewing the 5600x first, my guess is it will be either the 5900x or 5950x.
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I feel this gets presented like the CPU has an independent influence on frame rate, there's much more to it than that.

If your GPU is at 100% utilisation then your CPU won't push it a single frame faster. Similarly, depending on the monitor being used then lower frames could provide a much more enjoyable gaming experience and the CPU capability becomes irrelevant.

Simply saying one CPU will be "faster" without context is misleading - I'm not saying your post was misleading, just that the conversation in general can get that way. Your post just happened to prompt me into piping up. :)
 
Dirk Diggler said:
I feel this gets presented like the CPU has an independent influence on frame rate, there's much more to it than that.

If your GPU is at 100% utilisation then your CPU won't push it a single frame faster. Similarly, depending on the monitor being used then lower frames could provide a much more enjoyable gaming experience and the CPU capability becomes irrelevant.

Simply saying one CPU will be "faster" without context is misleading - I'm not saying your post was misleading, just that the conversation in general can get that way. Your post just happened to prompt me into piping up. :)
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Fair points, I was just roughly quoting the top the thread.
 
southernorth said:
It's just interesting to me how he seems to also allude that the 5600X is actually similar to 3700X in multi-core productivity, due to IPC and speed increase. 6cores vs. 8 cores is quite an interesting uplift.
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A 33% boost. Probably more like 25% IPC performance increase when you take the marginally higher clocks.

Could be possible with their past increases coupled with the fact that they made bigger changes this time around.

My motherboard isn't compatible though so I'll skip this one and maybe even the next and then evaluate.

By then if this keeps up I'll probably need to upgrade as developers opt to take advantage of the power
 
It might be close to 3700x judging by what they showed with single thread performance..
But it will not be true for all kinds of workloads.
 
MegaPinches said:
Course the 5600x is going to be faster than 3700x at gaming, its obvious looking at all the single core strength, same thing happened last gen (3600 v 2700) it will pip it at MC too probably. It will own up the 10900k as well except in games that are optimized for cores above 6.
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Im having trouble buying the 5600x at £289 will beat the 10900k at £559 at gaming, that would be an astounding result.

I will be delighted if it does though as Im waiting to see what CPU to get. Had the 10900K on my wish list but they have bumped the price from £479 to £659 on Overclockers !!!
 
jamman said:
Im having trouble buying the 5600x at £289 will beat the 10900k at £559 at gaming, that would be an astounding result.

I will be delighted if it does though as Im waiting to see what CPU to get. Had the 10900K on my wish list but they have bumped the price from £479 to £659 on Overclockers !!!
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Wow, what's going on with Overclockers and their pricing!
 
jamman said:
Im having trouble buying the 5600x at £289 will beat the 10900k at £559 at gaming, that would be an astounding result.

I will be delighted if it does though as Im waiting to see what CPU to get. Had the 10900K on my wish list but they have bumped the price from £479 to £659 on Overclockers !!!
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Not here to defend anyone, but you still can get 10850k for 429£, isn't that the same cpu? 14nm++++++++++++
 
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