Has making a pass at a woman just become illegal?

Haggisman said:
If only there was some way we could make an educated guess at the year the poster you're quoting was born in... :D



The problem with accusations like this - even if later thrown out/found not guilty, is that they stick. You'll always be the guy accused of being a rapist, regardless of whether you did it or not.

Would you be happy with your daughter going on a date with a guy who was accused of/arrested for being a rapist?

I'd like to say I'd look at it fairly and if he was found not guilty then be fine with it, but being 100% truthful, I'd most likely be pretty uneasy about it.
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Yeah so much potential to ruin the lives of innocent people

www.bbc.co.uk

Eleanor Williams jailed over false rape claims

The judge said Eleanor Williams' claims she was trafficked by an Asian gang were "complete fiction".
www.bbc.co.uk

As I said before, its impossible to enforce this, far too much he said she said with no evidence.
 
dowie said:
As far as I understand it the intention is to signal that some "bird" is "well fit".

Perhaps if builders were identified as an oppressed class they could argue that wolf whistling ought to be protected as part of their culture or something. :D
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And lo! It was written that the unclean foods were named by the LORD, and they were quinoa, and olives. Those foods are loathsome to the LORD, and the righteous shall instead walk through the halls of Greggs, where they shall find sustenance.

Edit: I'm not mags.
 
gingergundog said:
:cry: oops

Not sure about that tbh, Baby-Girl, Baby-Doll ive seen used quite a lot over the years and ill be perfectly honest not once have i even thought about babies.
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I think a lot of that comes from the normalization of bdsm.

50 shades of grey brought bdsm to the mainstream. Which is contradictory to how women should act according to the feminists. I noticed they disappeared from the conversation while that film series was happening :eek:
 
If people get queezy over the word babe, then babestation needs rebranding.

Tbh it makes my eyes roll when i hear the term "boys" said from a woman talking about men in their 20's.
Just make me think, get a grip they aren't 5 years old.
 
gingergundog said:
What? Getting your todger out is already illegal so is grabbing a womans boobs, so they are not reasonable and never were.
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Try reading things properly, i used those as examples of what is not normal.
Chris Wilson said:
Thanks, but why would I, a forum jury found guilty misogynist, be chatting up women that I allegedly hate en masse?
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Well I'm talking to you. :D
Orangeade said:
Your definition of normal varies from other peoples which is what I was pointing out. Alongside the potential for vexatious claims or simple misunderstanding.

I think most normal people would not want to even want a visit from the police, being cautioned let alone defending themselves in court.

And your examples are not something anyone would all reasonable, be accepted in any company and which (rightly) have ample laws to apply.
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I didn't give a definition of what i consider normal, i gave examples of things that i thought reasonable people would consider to be normal. Whether a claim is vexatious or a misunderstanding is something for the legal system to decide.

I agree most normal people wouldn't want a visit from the police or to go to court but most normal people wouldn't because most reasonable people know when they've crossed the line from simple friendly human interactions to harassment, most reasonable people can read other peoples social cues and know when their advances are unwanted or that they're dealing with someone that maybe not all there.

And, again, examples given to point out what would and wouldn't be acceptable behaviour for a "reasonable person" because some people seem to be struggling to understand the legal definition of wht a "reasonable person" is.
 
BowdonUK said:
I think a lot of that comes from the normalization of bdsm.

50 shades of grey brought bdsm to the mainstream. Which is contradictory to how women should act according to the feminists. I noticed they disappeared from the conversation while that film series was happening :eek:
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I've not seen it or read the books but wouldn't be surprised. I personally don't get the whole bdsm thing, I'm far too vanilla.
 
Murphy said:
Try reading things properly, i used those as examples of what is not normal.

Well I'm talking to you. :D

I didn't give a definition of what i consider normal, i gave examples of things that i thought reasonable people would consider to be normal. Whether a claim is vexatious or a misunderstanding is something for the legal system to decide.

I agree most normal people wouldn't want a visit from the police or to go to court but most normal people wouldn't because most reasonable people know when they've crossed the line from simple friendly human interactions to harassment, most reasonable people can read other peoples social cues and know when their advances are unwanted or that they're dealing with someone that maybe not all there.

And, again, examples given to point out what would and wouldn't be acceptable behaviour for a "reasonable person" because some people seem to be struggling to understand the legal definition of wht a "reasonable person" is.
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You haven't engaged with my point at all and I don't think you are engaging in good faith and are deliberately missing the point I was trying to make (or I explained it badly).

And the examples you gave were wrong to give as they were deliberate cases of sexual assault with existing laws that can target. This law is subjective and open to abuse or misinterpretation.

But you're right, **** it who cares anyway. You're right it won't affect me, we'll just lets politicians keep legislating for every area of life, excessive legislation has never hurt and have no unintended side effects. It's better to have legislation for every eventuality, just in case!

Edit just to clarify this is what thr article says. So a third party (police) will determine in their own view what constitutes the reasonableness with a possible 2 year sentence. I have no doubt it will on the whole be applied fairly but I am also sure like my original comment that it could give tide to massive disinformation and there will be cases where it will be an edge case...

The Home Secretary is to toughen a proposed new street harassment law so that potential offenders cannot escape prosecution by claiming they did not realise their behaviour amounted to harassment.

The new Bill, due for its final report stage in the House of Commons on Friday, will make it an offence to cause “intentional harassment, alarm or distress” to a person in public based on their sex. Offenders will face a maximum of two years in jail.

However, campaigners said there was a loophole in the proposals that would let offenders escape prosecution by claiming they thought their behaviour was welcome, even if any other reasonable person felt it was not.

Mrs Braverman has now accepted their concerns and is backing an amendment that will close the loophole, by requiring a “reasonableness test” where a defendant “ought to know” their behaviour amounted to harassment.

This means anyone who catcalls, wolf-whistles or makes a pass or sexual comment towards a woman that a “reasonable” person would feel amounts to harassment will no longer be able to claim it was meant as a compliment or joke. Police will be issued with guidance so they can enforce the law.
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It doesn't require a lot of imagination to see how this could become chilling effect on people. Lord knows lots of young people already struggle enough outside of apps to actually talk together already..
 
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Freefaller said:
Indeed and faux outrage at not being able to be sexist or apply misogynistic behaviours directly to women. Then blaming it all on the foreigners... Oh and the complete lack of normal human interaction with the opposite sex... If society and the human race were based on these posts we'd be all ******!
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It's like being in a thread full of Andrew Tate's
 
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