Haswell -E Core i7-5960X, 5930K, 5820K specifications

[Boomstick777]

they can use that to fleece gullible people like you Boom

I think you seriously need to understand what it is that Intel actually do. You make it sound like they're doing you a massive favour


** Snip rest of Andy's whingy comments *

So you're saying I'm gullible because I would like an 8 core Intel chip.. Yeah ok then. Your own personal circumstances Andy don't effect my buying choices. I always say each to their own, you obviously prefer the judgmental way of thinking. Your opinion is less valid each time you judge something on yourself not being able to afford it.

Intel give an extra 2 cores, DDR4 support at the same price point, their doing nothing wrong here, you're just mad because you can't afford one. Therefore will go out of your way to bash it, to justify in your head that's it's ok that you can't get one.

Not to long ago you were saying 8 cores would be needed this year, when you were using an AMD 8 core. Now your saying 8 core is overkill because Intel are bringing one. Very fickle mate

This will be a proper 8 core, none of that weak 8 core AMD stuff.

This CPU is a monster, don't hate on it because it's out of your price range. Just makes you look ignorant.

I would love one of these, I probably won't get one. Doesn't mean I am gonna bash it. I guess that's a more mature outlook, maybe your just not there yet

 

[Boomstick777]

Some ALXAndy quotes. Posted June 2013

ALXAndy On AMD 8 core,

So as I said, the AMD literally doubles the performance. TBH I already knew how much the Xeon was holding back my rig, which was why I decided not to wait for the board to come back and to just go with 8 cores, given that everything will support 8 cores within the next year.

In any benchmark that uses 8 cores the AMD wins. Not by a little bit, by a lot. In any game that uses 8 cores it's exactly the same. IPC is not a factor when you have double the amount of cores at your disposal.

IMO this is the way the future for PC gaming is headed. More cores the merrier

ALXAndy On Intel 8 core,

If 4ghz is the limit then it'll go down like the Titanic.

4+ core support in desktops is still extremely rare, with only a small handful of recent games taking advantage of it

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So Andy, IPC isn't a factor when your running more cores, unless your Intel? Which incidentally also have much higher IPC and 8 cores / 16 threads. Also not much stuff takes advantage of more than 4 cores for Intel, but for AMD everything will support 8 core this year?

Can you see how your comments may be viewed as bias and fickle?

 

[Boomstick777]

Don't play the bias card on me, boy, it doesn't work.

Mate you got totally caught out, the quotes show your totally bias and fickle. When speaking about your 8 core AMD chip you said 8 cores are the future, 8 cores don't even need high IPC. Then regarding Intel's 8 core CPU you suddenly say 8 cores aren't relevant and if it's only 4GHz it will sink like Titanic. You just totally contradicted yourself. Just take it like a man.

The Intel 8 core will be a beast. Don't hate on it just because it's out of your price range.

So so fickle..

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Some ALXAndy quotes. Posted June 2013

ALXAndy On AMD 8 core,

So as I said, the AMD literally doubles the performance. TBH I already knew how much the Xeon was holding back my rig, which was why I decided not to wait for the board to come back and to just go with 8 cores, given that everything will support 8 cores within the next year.

In any benchmark that uses 8 cores the AMD wins. Not by a little bit, by a lot. In any game that uses 8 cores it's exactly the same. IPC is not a factor when you have double the amount of cores at your disposal.

IMO this is the way the future for PC gaming is headed. More cores the merrier

ALXAndy On Intel 8 core,

If 4ghz is the limit then it'll go down like the Titanic.

4+ core support in desktops is still extremely rare, with only a small handful of recent games taking advantage of it

 

[Boomstick777]

At the end of the day when AMD held the performance crown with their first FX chips they were charging a fortune for it, don't forget that fact.

Intel hold the performance crown now and are doing no different to what AMD did. Think about it?

Does anyone really think that if AMD brought out a chip tomorrow that would beat anything by Intel they would sell it cheap?

+1 Exactly this mate.

AMD even tried to get away with it on the FX 9590

At least Intel are selling genuinely high end parts here. That offer new features, updated chipset, DDR4 etc.

Intel already have AMD beat with the lower cost mainstream line, i.e 3570K, 3770K, 4690K, 4770K, 4790K etc.

X99 is just for enthusiasts with enthusiast price tag. If AMD had anything even remotely competitive against this it would be priced in line with it. AMD just don't have anything right now. No point people getting upset about it, it is what it is. Doesn't make them any less desirable, I would love a 5960X. Basically your getting the kind of performance now that AMD may have in about 3-5 years. For some it's worth the money. For people that can't afford it can go with 4690K > 4790K / Z97 and still have system that's many many times faster than AMD's stuff.

 

[Boomstick777]

yea right ...........that wont cool at 4.6 unless unless you lap and delidd them !

AMD were on the 'mowar cores' case year ago, INTEL has been holding us back in all honesty.

Um delidding soldered chips.. Really?

Intel holding us back? You sure? Intel.. Not AMD!? Intel?

 

[Boomstick777]

Can a mod please purge most of the last 2-3 pages? :3

No offence guys but I just have to say that you're behaving like children, take it elsewhere and keep on topic. Anyway to what I mentioned on the last page:

I was thinking the same, getting rather sick of seeing Intel/NVidia threads being trashed by AMD fanboys.

BTW I own several AMD products but I don't claim to be unbiased, my preference is definitely towards Intel/NVidia as they offer better products/services in my experience. I don't go around the forum trashing AMD threads though.

+1

 

[Boomstick777]

Go run Cinebench R15 on your I5 2500. Please post back with the results.

If you want to make it more fair, run Asus Realbench R2.0 and post your multi tasking scores.

Ta.

I want to play too..

 

[Boomstick777]

I've been looking at the specs of the i7-5820k and i7-5930k. Other than the clock speed they seem to be identical. This is probably a total noob question but if they're both K series multiplier unlocked chips why would anyone pay more for the 5930k when presumably you'll be able to overclock either to similar speeds?

Agreed, only difference seems to be slightly lower stock clock speed and PCI-E Lanes. 5930K seems pointless over the 5820K..

Would be aiming at 5820K to get onto the platform, next year Broadwell -K might have 2 x 8 cores, to make that mid tier more appealing.

 

[Boomstick777]

You contradict yourself many times in this thread. One minute you say an 8320 is a great chip then you say you wouldn't put two Titan Blacks with it?

If it was so great then why not?

I don't think he even realizes that he contradicts himself.. As fun as reading ALXAndy having a breakdown over AMD chips is..

Do ya'll think we could get back on topic now?

For those interested in X99 what chip do you think you will go for and why?

 

[Boomstick777]

I'm still using an i7 920, it pretty much handles most things for me but its long overdue a refresh so I think I'll go for the cheapest option which will be the 5820k. I'm hoping the bells and whistles from Z97 is moved to the X99 so that's my main reason for upgrading, as I want usb3, msata etc

Yeah 5820K is most appealing to me as well, good point about the mobo. Hopefully X99 will feature all the latest stuff.

Be a nice upgrade for you from i7 920. Thinking about selling off my whole PC and starting a new X99 build from scratch.

 

[Boomstick777]

I am thinking of doing the same

Mine is up on MM now lol. Had some rather unexpected news today.. Selling my PC will build a X99 system later this year..

 

[Boomstick777]

i'll buy the SSD off you, but i want a good price considering it's 2nd hand

Ha, decided to split the parts as main value was with them, and keep the base of PC. Check MM.

Baby on the way?

Worse than that lol

People always rattle on about games. I would absolutely not be interested in this if I was building just a gaming pc
In fact I think it's quite far away from what you want still for gaming
Surely a beefy turboing i5 is the best option? Or a i7 with HT if you play games that support it

More I look at this the more I may not bother
It will all depend on if the software I use at work can
A= be used on more than one pc (usage rights)
B= if that software can utilize more than 4+4 cores.. If not a high turbo chip is better

If I can't meet that criteria I need to see if photoshop etc can go beyond 4+4
And also if transcoding software can

I am willing to bet a lot of people looking at this (not all) would actually be better suited to a 4790k or i5
To me.. It makes no sense for gamers

Yeah agree with this, for just gaming, the mainstream stuff is fine. This has appeal for workstation use and benchmarking, to stand any chance in keeping up in those areas X99 is where it will be at. Sadly it won't be where I am at this year

 

[Boomstick777]

Intel demos its cooling solution for Core i7-5000 ‘Haswell-E’ chips

Intel Corp. this week demonstrated its new cooling system designed for the forthcoming high-end desktop (HEDT) processors code-named “Haswell-E”. The new cooler, which will be supplied with the Core i7-5800/5900-series microprocessors, will be bigger than the current one and will thus be able to dissipate more heat without creating too much noise. It will also be shipped with current-gen LGA2011 offerings.

http://www.kitguru.net/components/c...ng-solution-for-core-i7-5000-haswell-e-chips/

 

[Boomstick777]

^^ Think because of the prices, they are gonna drop when the motherboards launch.

Seen a few places with DDR4 now, prices are actually pretty good.

 

[Boomstick777]

When the i3's and i5's can beat AMD's best CPU's. Intel can charge what they like for their higher end CPU's. It's only fair to be mad at AMD as well for not bringing any competition in the high end CPU space. Intel prices would be a lot more competitive in that space if AMD had anything to offer as an alternative.

Hopefully AMD's rumored 2016 new architecture will once again be able to challenge Intel. Until then i5 / i7 is the best performance / price there is. If you want the best, you have the pay the price unfortunately. For everything else there is i5 and i7.

 

[Boomstick777]

You can get a decent tower for 600 quid that would do most people at 1080p easy.

Agreed, Z97 mobo with an i5 or i7. 8GB / 16GB ram, throw in an GTX 750 ti or 260X and you'll be set with a decent gaming PC for 1080P.

X99 is for E-Peen, workstation, benching. If just for gaming nobody needs to look past Intel's mainstream chips.

I need want X99 for benching, encoding and E-Peen

 

[Boomstick777]

Do you guys reckon its worth waiting till next month for the new kit namely 5820k/X99/DDR4 or go with a 4790k/z97 system ?

Will be doing virtual machines 2-3 wanna play with unix/openbsd etc but also do multi-tasking and may do gaming in future.

Also is it true 5820k will cost £300-400 ?

Yeah if you're not in a rush def wait and see how the pricing is at launch. So far DDR4 pricing looks like it isn't as bad as the nay sayers were saying. Plus 5820K looks like it could have great performance for the price.

With the mainstream Z97 looking like it will be limited to 4 cores with IGPU, I would say X99 + 5820K would be the better buy, X99 as a platform should have longevity. Option to upgrade to more efficient 6/8 cores later on with Broadwell -E.

 

[Boomstick777]

Haswell -E with newer chipset / motherboard design, DDR4 and support for 14nm later on is the most appealing out of all the options for sure.

For those that are happy on what they already have that's great. Doesn't mean they need to keep telling everyone else about it, god knows there is enough of that in this thread already . For most people X99 represents the most interesting Intel line up in years, me included and I'm happy with Z97 + 4790K. I will move up to X99 at some point.

 

[Boomstick777]

For anyone more intelligent than myself. Can we expect the new Haswell-E's to outperform the 4790k on a gaming stand point? The clock speeds are lower but haswell e does have the new chipset going for it.

Historically speaking no.

I.E X58 i7's were not quite as good for gaming as P55, X79 i7's were not quite as good as the P67/Z68/Z77/etc ones, etc. It's only a slight difference but it was there (assuming your not using like 4 GPU's ofc then X79 all the way.

The only way the new HW-E CPU's are going to be outperforming a 4790K is iff the game bottlenecks on a 4c8t CPU at max settings, which means it would also bottleneck on every single CPU AMD sell, it would be pretty suicidal for a developer to make a game that needs a >£270 CPU to max out the settings.

+1 to what ubersonic wrote, if you just want a gaming PC Z97 + an i5 or i7 will be fine. Another way to look at it it this though, with Mantle and Direct X12 looking to remove the CPU as a bottleneck for gaming, it could be argued that any modern CPU is good enough for gaming.

If you have any other uses for your PC, workstation environment, maybe movie encoding and benchmarking etc then X99 will absolutely be far better than the mainstream 4 core CPU's. It's also guaranteed some healthy longevity being DDR4 compatible and support 14nm CPU's later on. All things considered if I was looking to start a build soon X99 is the way to go, even if just the cheaper 5820K plus maybe 8GB DDR4 just to get onto the platform. Then later on when prices settle pick up a larger amount of better spec DDR4 etc.

 

[Boomstick777]

I take it 8GB DDR4 will be the standard amount of memory for the X99 platform just as 6GB DDR3 was for the x58 platform?

Yeah I think 8GB is the smallest single stick you can get in DDR4?