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Islam.. well recent Saudi evens just highlight how nuts this religion is. Most other relgions are wayyy past the nutty stage (well, the stage where they burned people, called them witches and whatnot etc.. still a few nutty bits but mostly peeps don't get killed, mutilated or blown up) hopefully one day those countries can reach a more modern point of civilisation. I'm not a fan of Judaism either but they're not as bad though i personally think Israel is no better.
 
Abz said:
For the past few months (or maybe years) everytime there is a thread relating to Islam all I see is hate messages or messages against Islam.

Can someone explain to me why you guys Hate Islam so much...

I know with all the bad think some so called muslims are doing around the world, but does that give reason to hate the religon and the people who follow it.

I even seen comments by Senior OCUK memebers that really shock me! So ok freedom of speech but there are limits?!
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not expecting you to read this but the religion is followed by many people who are still 3rd world. It has fanatics and they are the only ones in that area who can read or write they are afraid of others reading or writing. The christian church held the same power and did the same thing 100s of years ago.

Mohammed was a good man who fought against the oppression of his people. A freedom fighter if you will.
I cannot see any love in that message perhaps there is some I'm not a great reader of the Koran perhaps some enlightenment is necessary for the OCUK masses.
 
vonhelmet said:
I'd disagree with that, but I think we have enough trouble with religious arguments on this forum without one Christian picking a fight with another.
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Didn't know you were a Christian :)

And I disagree with Islam, and think it should be supressed, especially by law, due to the fact that as a secular religion it is totally anti other religion.
 
vonhelmet said:
I'd disagree with that, but I think we have enough trouble with religious arguments on this forum without one Christian picking a fight with another.
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your a Christian?
I never knew.

What I meant was that God hasn't made an open commitment to unconditional forgiveness in the old testament.
 
Abz said:
For the past few months (or maybe years) everytime there is a thread relating to Islam all I see is hate messages or messages against Islam.

Can someone explain to me why you guys Hate Islam so much...

I know with all the bad think some so called muslims are doing around the world, but does that give reason to hate the religon and the people who follow it.

I even seen comments by Senior OCUK memebers that really shock me! So ok freedom of speech but there are limits?!
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Islam is far more of a threat to the UK than any other religion at this moment in time. I don't hate Islam. I fear it, with good reason. There's a difference.

I don't hate Moslems in general either - most of the Moslems I know are decent people. It's a shame they have no power within their own religion.

When I say that Islam is a threat to the UK, I am not only talking about the more violent Moslems, altough it's clear that a tendency towards violence is more common in Islam than in other religions. The harm those Moslems do will end some people's lives and blight other people's lives, but it won't break the UK. Islam in general could, by turning the UK into a theocracy for an extremely power-orientated religion, one that requires submission and obedience from everyone, one that will make a tyrannical theocracy. The countries that later became the UK had that in the past with Christianity. It could happen in the near future with Islam and that would be the nightmare repeated, but made much worse by modern technology.

If Islam acquires enough power to rule, it will not be peaceful, gentle Moslems who wield that power. It will be the thugs, the bullies and the psychos within Islam. It will be the Moslems who delight in death, who feel better when other people suffer because of them. They will be wielding the power, because they will want it and they will seize it. Just as was the case with Christianity when it had enough power in much of Europe, along with Great Britain and Ireland. The strings of power weren't being pulled by monks and nuns preaching love to everyone, even your enemies. They were pulled by Christians like Torquemada. If anything, Islam would be worse. Christianity was supposed to be hugely skewed towards peace and love, which might have put the brakes on a little.
 
I myself have no problem with the vast majority of Muslims that I have met, most of them are hard working, pleasant people. However, there is always a minority in any group, that spoils it for everyone else.

I myself don't agree with much of Sharia law, and a lot of the fundamentalist attitudes of extremist Muslims.

Why does it appear that so many 'anti-Muslim' threads appear? quite simply put, because over the last decade, moreso than of any other religion, Islam has been at the root of more trouble worldwide, than any other religion.

Take for example, Abu Hamza al-Masri, a cleric that is now serving jail time for soliciting murder, and inciting racial hatred. I dont really recall the last christian to go over to Islamic countries and preach that "You must have a stand with your heart, with your tongue, with your money, with your hand, with your sword, with your Kalashnikov. Don't ask shall I do this, just do it."

I don't hate, I fear for what may come in years to come.

and now.. /faceplant
 
analog said:
Why can't we all just play in our own corner of the yard? that way we can all be happy, segregation isn't all that bad.
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That's easy:

God commands you to bring His will to every corner of the yard!

Bring peace by killing the unbelievers!

Go amongst the unbelievers and save their souls by converting them to the true faith. This is your holy work!

Take your pick.
 
Off on a tangent, concerning the crusades, in which numerous Christians attempted to impose Christianity by force on what's now called the Middle East...

...how did that area come to be Moslem by that time? A few centuries before, it was Christian. I doubt if everyone converted freely. Was there a more successful Moslem crusade before the infamous Christian ones?
 
Angilion said:
That's easy:

God commands you to bring His will to every corner of the yard!

Bring peace by killing the unbelievers!

Go amongst the unbelievers and save their souls by converting them to the true faith. This is your holy work!

Take your pick.
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Curse you and your damn corner!

See that's the problem, God, he is a bully i tells ya, why can't he command people to stay in their corner to keep the peace :(
 
Angilion said:
Off on a tangent, concerning the crusades, in which numerous Christians attempted to impose Christianity by force on what's now called the Middle East...

...how did that area come to be Moslem by that time? A few centuries before, it was Christian. I doubt if everyone converted freely. Was there a more successful Moslem crusade before the infamous Christian ones?
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Firstly, Christians weren't "attempting to impose Christianity by force on what's now called the Middle East." The purpose of the crusades was twofold: (a) to liberate Antioch, Jerusalem and the whole of Israel from Muslim rule; (b) to counter the Muslim invasion of the Byzantine Empire.

Secondly, the area had not "come to be Moslem by that time." Various parts of the Middle East had been invaded by Muslims, but the Byzantine Empire was still Christian, and Israel was still Jewish. Ironically, there were various periods throughout the era of the crusades during which Jews, Christians and Muslims all co-existed peacefully. These were inevitably brought to an end by the rise of Christian and Muslim extremists.

Thirdly, there were hundreds of Muslim crusades throughout the centuries leading up to the Christian crusades. You can read about them here.

Not all of the crusades were directed at Muslims and the Middle East. There were some Christian crusades in parts of Europe; most of these were little more than territorial disputes between regional powers, and attempts to stem the growing influence of the Mongol hordes. However, the Baltic and Central European crusades were launched with the specific purpose of subjugating local tribes and forcing Christianity upon them.
 
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