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Archibald0 said:
I wouldnt say it was a trivial offense. Yeah the cops got her when she was sleeping, but if they hadnt she could have woke up, drove and killed someone.
Being drunk and in your own car with the keys is a silly idea
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Why? I felt absolutely no inclination to drive - I very much wanted to sleep out of the pouring rain. It's like saying being home while drunk is a bad idea because you have a knife in your house, and while it's normally a safe instrument you might kill someone while wielding it drunk.
 
kgi said:
I saw it on BBC, they said she was found sleeping in her car and refused to take a breathanalyser test. If you want to philosophise about it go ahead, but to me that means she was drunk. My view is also reaffirmed by the fact that she was obviously uncooperative and had to be dragged to her cell.
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And where in the CCTV footage was she "obviously uncooperative"??? as far as anyone can see she just stood there. this is more about what we SEE not what we are told happened. the CCTV footage tells me she got arrested, then some overzealous pig drags her around in an armlock, EVEN THOUGH SHE WAS NOT CAUSING ANY TROUBLE, then opens the cell door and shoves her hard, where she lands face first and is injured. if you are defending this idiots actions then your more of an idiot than i first thought.

kgi said:
His behaviour was fine, he was dealing with an uncooperative drunk person. The PC dragged the said person and threw them in a cell.
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Again, where was she uncooperative? if you have some video of this produce it.

kgi said:
Take a deep breath will you? He threw her in the cell. Saying that he threw her face into the cell with intent on her hurting herself is silly. Do you actually think that PCs out there get a kick out of throwing senior citizens face first down a concrete floor? She was drunk and that's why she hurt herself.
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eh??? since when did i say "Saying that he threw her face into the cell with intent on her hurting herself is silly" and as for PC's getting a kick out of doing things like this then YES some do, i was arrested years ago for D&D and even though i did what they said i still got a bit of a roughing up, nothing in the face but a few body shots, so dont tell me they are all role models with behaviour to be respected and emulated. there are a lot of decent police out there but there are also plenty of power-tripping bullys who enjoy causing pain regardless of it being a man or woman so do us a favour and get off your high horse. what he did was wrong and theres no defending it.

kgi said:
I can't see the abuse. He is in authority and he is dealing with a drunk uncooperative person. He has to wrap it up quickly so that he can get back to the beat and catch criminals. I would be infuriated to see the PC actually debating getting into the cell with the said "victim" until she was sobber, knowing that I'm paying him to babysit drunkards.
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yet AGAIN where was she uncooperative??? maybe your just a bully yourself for you to see nothing wrong with what he did. and being in authority is not meant to be a licence for cruelty.

kgi said:
In my book, if you're drunk and the police get you it's tough. You'd better cooperate or they will use reasonable force to arrest you and detain you. If you get hurt in the process accidentally (as is this case) then by all means file a complaint and a law suit and what you feel like. If it's proven that there was intent then the PC should be sacked without pay and taken to court. However, I cannot see this in the video which is nicely edited to start with the PC shouting at her to shut up. It'd be interesting to see all the previous discussion and efforts to get her to cooperate before you had to use reasonable force.
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If she took a swing at the copper then fine, by all means use reasonable force, i too would like to see the full thing but what you cant seem to get through your head is that what he did was WRONG!!!!

jesus, some people you just can't reach...... :confused:
 
MrLOL said:
because stepping in front of your superior and confronting them is an awkward thing. I've seen it happen when a boss loses their rag and nobody wants to be the one to do it.

Even more so if they are in a state of shock because its somebody they've known for a while and its maybe uncharacteristic of them.
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Great, so the people who are supposed to protect us all from violent criminals are scared to intervene and are shocked into a state of inaction by thier heavy handed boss?



Tummy said:
I just don't understand the huge up roar about this.

Police officer, gets ****ed off with a ****ed up (probably abusive) woman, drags her to a cell chucks her in. (yeah maybe a bit tough on her but ah well 6 of one, half a dozen of the other) She lands badly, hurts her head.

I like this country, Police aren't nearly as rough / bad / corrupt as elsewhere in the world. Don't really see the fuss.
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She's a 57 year old woman who was found asleep in her parked car, and from the sound of the video wanted to know why she had been dragged to a police station.

She didn't seem to struggle beyond the instinctive leaning back/trying to get your balance that everyone does when you crag their arm and drag them forwards off balance.


Throwing someone to the floor/wall hard enough to split their face open to bleed that much is pretty ****ing dangerous and unnecessary, if one of the other officer had just stepped u pand not even confront shim but offered to help they would have needed much less force, which I think is actually part of thier training when dealing with "struggling" prisoners.
 
Burnsy2023 said:
In which case, I'd bet money he's currently unemployed or will be in the very near future.
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Hes currently on full pay, and i really hope the man ends up with a couple of weeks in the nick, so he can have a dose of his own medicine.

Of course that wont happen because i doubt he will have the bottle to leave his cell.

Just the voice on him has boiled my blood.
 
Tefal said:
Great, so the people who are supposed to protect us all from violent criminals are scared to intervene and are shocked into a state of inaction by thier heavy handed boss?
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Yes

contrary to common belief, police officers are in fact human and react like the rest of us in such scenarios.
 
MrLOL said:
Yes

contrary to common belief, police officers are in fact human and react like the rest of us in such scenarios.
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Well then you shouldnt be a copper, go work in mcdonalds where your only decision is 1 slice of cheese or 2.
 
MrLOL said:
Yes

contrary to common belief, police officers are in fact human and react like the rest of us in such scenarios.
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I think most people would be happy to stand up thier boss if he started beating u pan old lady, especially if they had a baton, stab proof vest, handcuffs and the training to use them all and the boss just had a shirt an tie.
 
Ahh more excerpts of video when no one but the police who were there know the whole story.
How do you know she hadn't been grabbing hold of them, pulling hair gouging her nails into the officers and all sorts of other tricks to try and prevent her from being put in the cell.

The only option left is to throw her in and shut the door.

Aww diddums, she banged her head on the way in
 
Tefal said:
I think most people would be happy to stand up thier boss if he started beating u pan old lady, especially if they had a baton, stab proof vest, handcuffs and the training to use them all and the boss just had a shirt an tie.
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I think people are leaving reality here. Having a baton doesn't make it any easier to report someone you probably respected and may have helped you on numerous occasions, and heaven forbid actually be a friend to more senior management.
 
Pigeon_Killer said:
That video has been edited to make him look like he's aggressive and out of control. We don't know what she said, what tone of voice she said it in and what went on before the video started because it's been edited to make him look bad.
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But it dosent matter what happened before, what is missing, what is edited or what she did, she is nearly 60, a woman and in the police station for a trivial charge.

You dont rant at old women then drag them to a cell when you are a copper, or if you do you want the sack, along with the other 5 useless lumps standing watching.
 
Burnsy2023 said:
I think people are leaving reality here. Having a baton doesn't make it any easier to report someone you probably respected and may have helped you on numerous occasions, and heaven forbid actually be a friend to more senior management.
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Who talking about reporting, I'm talking about why they didn't step in and just say "go help John do X, we'll take the mouthy cow to the cell"?

Rather than just standing there and letting the obviously very angry and aggressive guy go do it.

Or if he refuses tell him to leave it and you'll do it.

Waiting till after he's hospitalised an old woman is leaving it a bit late isn't it.
 
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