Have i been too harsh

I think the OP did the right thing.

I was kicked out when I was 14 and moved to my Dads. Then his new wife kicked me out at 15 and I went to live with my Gran. Then my Grandad kicked me out, so at 16 I was homeless. You soon learn some respect once youve bummed around sleeping on people floors and stealing from shops to eat.

OP - if you do allow him back, makes sure he understands the rules of your house and give him one final chance. If he persists with his rule breaking, then ask him to leave...for good.

Fair play to the OP for not be namby-pamby, more kids need this type of "tough love" these days, maybe your boy will learn something from all this???

Good luck mate.
 
I don't believe that kids are out on the streets strictly cos of bad parental treatment. I firmly believe that society 'allows' kids to think they automatically have the right to be respected and more right to disrespect others. They don't think they should earn respect at all. When they're old enough to take on some responsibility for themselves, thats when they can start earning respect.

I agree with you there

Too many people are still banging on about "it was only 9.30 and only an open door". When will you get the point? Its the blatant disregard for his parents' authority, one too many times as it seems, that had the OP resort to such action.
But lets imagine the door rule, the lazy oik can't be arsed to close the door, the cat scratches the hell out of the suite. Nice! Ok, make the kid pay for it, but how much £1 a week on the mone he is on? and what of the ripped up sofa? When does that get replaced/repaired? When its all paid for?
Even if he did pay for all the damage, it's still not really the point is it? And to me, its the ultimate show of disrespect.

Another way around this would be get rid of the cats ? if your that worried about cat scratching the suite then surely whats the point in having cats in the first place ?!

Now the OP did take a risk in texting, but maybe that's what it called for, we'll see if he keeps posting updates as to whether the situation smoothes out or not.
I reckon he'll be back with his tail between his legs, and hopefully a good ole father son chat can sort out some differences.

I hope for OP's sake your right, on the flip side he may end up not seeing from his son in some years... is it really worth the risk ?
 
tell him, hes 17 now, and had his mother tit for too long, time to grow up and obey the rules.

punish him for every infraction, write down the offence and the punishment, he breaks to law he is punished according to the schedule. E.g. leaving the door open one day, no x-box the next.

seriously get him to start paying house keeping, then he will stop thinking its a hotel, do go for a fix fee, go for %age so hes not getting one over you when he get a better job

1. take away X-box.
2. internet.
3. cut all electricty from his room
4. get his to do his own washing, he will start washing clothes when he has nothing to wear.
5. no friends over, as a punishment.
6. no sky tv

when u have children....they will beat u up
 
I was like that but when i was 16, 17 when i started college i viewed things differently and started paying Rent, as long as he is paying for Keep (which is what i did) i think you should be more lenient. i.e. Dont be so harsh for leaving a door open, it's not exactly a chore and atleast i wouldn't expect to be punished by it.

If he doesn't do the basic chore's then increase his keep, its what my parents did to me and i learned my lesson, that was a few years ago though and currently don't pay any keep because i dont have a job but am job hunting :D.
 
Yeah I mean it's not the best solution really regarding the cats in the first place. Some people are more forgetful, and it shouldn't be automatically viewed as laziness?
 
Whats the law concerning this? I thought parents had a right to look after their child up to the age of 18?

Even so, I think you made the right move, should teach him to grow up.
 
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I completely agree with the above. It is fine to take the "My house, my rules" stance, but at the same time you risk losing contact with your son. If the only way that you could find to discipline him was to kick him out onto the streets then in my opinion you're doing a very poor job as a father. Of course your son has made screwups, he's 17, he is supposed to make that sort of trivial mistake, but you should have found a better way to teach him a lesson. Perhaps offer some sort of reward for when he gets things right, rather than a punishment for pathetic things like leaving a door open?
 
It would seem to me it wasn't overly harsh, it was outrageously harsh, and ridiculous.

Frankly, people forget to close doors, so what. Even more so if, the ways its been worded, its a newer thing. We have pretty new kittens/cats still(just over a year now) and we all still forget to close doors and lock them in at night(to many big foxes around here not to), but thats life.

But the KEY thing here is that you can't agree one thing and take it back later. You can't agree to let someone out past a certain time then that night take it back and tell them to come home. The fair, and adult thing to do would be to talk to them the next day and come to an arrangement afterwards, maybe you knew where he was, maybe he didn't tell you truthfully where he was going. At 17yr old you know how embarassing and bad it would be to be in the middle of a first date, in a restaurant and have your dad ring and say you have to come home now. Its utterly utterly ridiculous behaviour on your part and completely and utterly unreasonable. Maybe he was simply half way to a party on the other side of town and he was only with one friend and bailing at that point ruins his friends night, theres lots of reasons why bailing on an evening for no good reason at all will cause him embarassement and problems and expecting him to come back at an instant is beyond stupid.

The problem is way to many parents, and i mean WAY to many parents talk to their kids as the person they knew at every stage of their lives. My mum is still pretty bad for this, she brings up things I did when I was 8 as some kind of point as to how something would happen now, its stupid.

You're asking him to act as an adult, and expecting him to act as an adult but you are not, even close, to treating him as one. You're treating him as a child who should be amazingly grateful to be treated as an adult as and when you see fit. I am not in any way shocked he wouldn't respond to that as most kids don't. How about this, forget what he did when he was 2, 5, 10 and 15, and treat him for who he is now, anything less is unfair to him and you.

Treat him like a real adult, no curfew, stop cooking and washing for him, bring in the tit for tat scenario. Don't expect him to clean something up, but if he does, be nice and throw some of his clothes in with your washing. If he does some shopping or cleans out the cat litter, ask him if he wants food that night.

What you're doing right now is trading basic chores for treating him like a half adult. I understand parents find it hard to cross over from treating them as kids to adults but the half way thing doesn't and will never work. Simply treat him like an adult, full stop and no ifs and but's. But after that, act like roomates. If he does something to help you out, offer to help him, but thats as far as reward/punishment should go. He's not an adult because you decide how you treat him, he's an adult, thats it. You either treat him like any other adult you interact with, or treat him like crap.

If you were 20, and had a 20 yrd old room mate, would you threaten them with a curfew if they didn't do as you asked, or would his helping simply cause you to help him.
 
Not wrong at all, re-read my paragraph, i said "more brazen manner than they did 20 years ago". Yes, no doubt i acted the same when i was one, but joining the forces made me grow up quick. Netherleless is was alwasy taught to be respectful of my elders, something i try to instill into our kids.

Kids/teenagers nowadays have so little respect for their elders its sickening.

This is one of those threads where those that strongly disagree with Teulks actions seem to be those that only read part of the posts and don't bother to understand the point.
I said it in my post, it aint just about pots and doors, the whole respect thing comes into question. Plus Teulk is trying to teach this kid a lesson. Its a harsh one sure, but then they often have to be to get these oiks to wake up. Those parents that pamper their kids up until age 18 do nothing in teaching them whats its like outside the comfort of the home provided to the by someone else.
Once a harsh lesson like this has been learned, it won't end. There will another harsh lesson around the corner. He's about to become a fully fledged adult, and that's what life is like. It aint all roses!

Seems a little needlessly authoritarian to me, but then I guess you and teulk are both used to the military so that's to be expected. He's a teenager, and he's not done anything particularly bad to warrant being thrown out imo - Teulk you could have gone down other routes before throwing him out. The things you seem to think are massive deals could be easily thought of as small by others, especially teenagers. A 9:30pm curfew also seems needlessly strict for a seventeen-and-a-hald year old lad - what's the reason for it being so early other than to prove your authority? If he's old enough to move out, and financially in a position to do so then he may well do so if pushed.

I largely agree with drunkenmaster on this one; though I don't know you or your son it seems from what you've said you're being rather harsh on the lad.
 
morba is right.

also he's 17 and u want him to be home 9.30pm? LOL sorry he's nearly adult, let him decide what time he come home.

when i was 17, i get home anytime i want.

He was allowed to come and go as he pleased as long as he stuck by the rules set down - he sticks to the rules he gets what he wants, simple. Yes your right he is nearly an adult but he thinks he is and adult and they are too different things. Ok yes i may have handled it badly initially but then i can assure the end result would still have been the same had i spoken to him. This is not the first time he has disobeyed me and stayed out all night, in fact its not the second or third or fourth time hes done it - for those that say remove his xbox - its been done for weeks at a time, for those that say remove his internet - its been done, no tv - its been done, no friends round - its been done, grounded - its been done. Its not just about the chores i wish you could see this !

As mentioned he can come and go as he pleases and yes the afor mentioned staying out over night had been agreed earlier in the week - this however i decided to cancel due to his current behaviour - that was to be his punishement. I have told him on countless occations (direct to his face) that if he doesnt like my rules then he can go and live somewhere else.........

Its not just about the chores, its about his whole attitude - ok so a lot are saying "but he's 17, he's a teenager", ok then at what age does it become acceptable ?

A said above "he's nearly adult" - well that would be legally wouldnt it as the legal age for being an adult is 18yrs old. Like ive said he thinks hes and adult and i want to make the point he's not - yes and that is harsh but he cannot go through life thinking he can do what he wants.
 
I used to get a leather belt over my butt until I was about 10

after that I used to get grounded or have privileges taken away such as pocket money

when I was around 15-16 I got a punch in the face for skipping school

I never skipped it again

Jocularity aside, I did get a couple of smacks, and boy did I learn my lesson. The thing is I *knew* I was being naughty and as a child/teenager you always push the boundaries to see what you can get away with. If you don't receive a suitable punishment and don't respond to the punishment well you'll just keep on doing it really.
 
Look mate i'm going to be honest.

He's 17 theres not many 17 year olds I know who do chores let alone have part time jobs (I assume hes at college or something). And to start a huge arguement and problems and then kicking him out over not doing his chores? Glad you are not my father what the hell is running through your mind? Everyone is like he is at 17 (I know I was and all my mates were), hes a kid its how they behave, i'm 23 now and me and all my mates have settled down. Just give the lad a break and some breathing space.
 
Most peoples comments regarding the unfairness and unsuitability of this treatment do make me chuckle.

It's obvious that the kid's been told and should better appreciate his priveledged position in his fathers home.

He was given a choice (like an adult) and took it! No one elses fault but his own - and i'm sure (like most of you) he will return, apologise and probably buck his ideas up.

No two parents are the same but that doesn't necessarily mean that one is wrong and the other right - both could be doing an equally good job but in different ways. Indeed, no two kids are the same so the same comment applies.

Of course softly softly can work but i know plenty of kids that would take advantage of that kind of treatment and only respond to something stronger. Yet again - everyone is different.

gt

Couldn't dissagree more. Basically all my friends were expected to do chores from the age of 14 or so. :confused:

They weren't pushed but were asked - perfectly reasonable IMHO. I liked the idea of helping my parents and taking on a little responsibility. It let me give them something back for taking care of me and being generally caring and loving.
 
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Can't believe some of the comments, he sounds like a good kid, by kicking him out its only going to make him angry and probably want to rebel even more and get into bad areas, he didn't do chores so what it's not the end of the world what's really griefing the op is the fact he doesn't have full control over his son and maybe a bit power hungry.

And all these people saying well done this will show him the real world etc etc, fact is if we all did this with all our kids most end up absolute bums the ones that are looked after by their parents grow up to do something better with their lives rather than those parents who just kick them out when things getting a little too tought because they don't do chores lol laughable.

Congrats on creating a big problem when you don't have any real issues in your life, do you know how many people would kill if the only issue they had with their kid was that he doesn't do chores?
 
Yes your right he is nearly an adult but he thinks he is and adult and they are too different things.

I have told him on countless occations (direct to his face) that if he doesnt like my rules then he can go and live somewhere else.........

A said above "he's nearly adult" - well that would be legally wouldnt it as the legal age for being an adult is 18yrs old. Like ive said he thinks hes and adult and i want to make the point he's not - yes and that is harsh but he cannot go through life thinking he can do what he wants.

Everything you wrote screams this to me, you're pretending to treat him as an adult but failing on every single last level. He's free to come and go as he pleases....... clearly only as long as he has your permission.

Telling him repeatedly to his face that he can smeg off for not doing basic chores is just, mean, frankly. We're talking basic chores and to a degree, he's at school and working part time, how many hours a day, total, with work, school and homework is he putting in a day. How many hours do you work a day, similar, less, more, how many chores do you do.

You're treating him as you treat a 12 yr old with few responsibilities, who has no job and easy school life with little work. As I've suggested, throw your idea's out the window, stop thinking about the chair he broke when he was 8, the fight he got in at 12, about when he knicked a bottle of whiskey and got drunk with his mates while you were out.. you've done all those things to, it doesn't mean thats who you are now. Treat him as a REAL adult, don't talk down to him, don't punish him, simply don't help him, unless he helps you. You will find his attitude changes completely.

Right now, its not equal living. Think about it, if you forget to shut a door, is your evening out threatened, no, so why should his. You made an agreement and then completely backed out on it and you really have no clue how important that night out was to him, or if he was in a situation that was simply hard to leave, people relying on him, whatever.

So many parents are completely unable to transition from teaching their kids(and less and less are even able to do that) and helping them learn to live, to just leaving them alone to live and treating them as adults.

Tell him he has no chores to speak of, but point out that should he not help, he'll get no help. Don't nag, or insist, leave him completely alone, if he doesn't do anything around the house, leave him to do his own washing, cooking and cleaning his dishes and what not, if he helps out, be nice and reciprocate. Its that simple, thats actually treating someone as an equal and as an adult.


Last thing, be a god damned man, phone up your kid who for all you know has no where at all to sleep, tell him YOU'RE sorry and you want him to come home as soon as possible to talk. If you can't do that, the kids better off out on his own.


EDIT:- punishment doesn't work, never has and never will(obviously certain things require it, but mostly at a younger age to teach kids the limits, i'm talking general stuff like a curfew for a single night), telling a kid he can't be out late, beforehand, the kid will simply shift plans to the next night or go out twice next week instead of once each week, it seems like punishment but means nothing at all, think about it, if someone could enforce you not going out one friday, you'd just go out on saturday instead, its meaningless and frankly stupid. Taking away help, without being mean and making a point of it is far more effective.

Having a kid go out on a different night, or effecting daily life by not doing his cooking, cleaning and washing, which will effect them more and make them do things around the house more effectively. To many parents use the punishment route because, it feels like you have power, and seems effective, its neither and only goes to show the kid you don't think of them as an equal.
 
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