HDD for PS3 to be optional Extra - from Sony's own mouth.

I always expected it to be an optional extra? When have you known any console to come with a saving device as standard (thats not cartridge).
 
Baine said:
£500 i wouldnt pay any more then £300 from what i have read its hardly any better then the 360 if at all no way £200 better sod that
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I maybe wrong but is the PS3 not coming with Blu-ray capabilities and the 360 is normal DVD playback (no HD player) only unless you buy the add on drive not yet available?

Just for the record im an ex-Sony fan boy now I have a 360 to tide me over till I do or do not buy a PS3 depending on cold hard facts, weather that’s price or how much better or worse the games are for it than the 360.
 
Eliot said:
its gonna fail misrably if the keep doing things like this
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lol.. a nice informed post there which ignores than MS has done the same thing. I will say now that I bet the PS3 will be backwards compatible with PS2 titles without needing a hard drive - and I expect all titles will be BC and work properly as well unlike the half-arsed effort MS has done with the 360.
 
This is whole thread is just fanboyness from both camps, its great.
The xbox fanboys saying its easy to wind up and PS fanboys taking the bait. Cracks me up. Was gonna join in but cannae be buggered lol
 
dirtydog said:
lol.. a nice informed post there which ignores than MS has done the same thing. I will say now that I bet the PS3 will be backwards compatible with PS2 titles without needing a hard drive - and I expect all titles will be BC and work properly as well unlike the half-arsed effort MS has done with the 360.
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I don't see the importance of backwards compatibility, never have. Who buys a 360 to play xbox games on? People who are seem to be playing PES5, so once that's out on 360 they won't even be playing that.
 
Ol!ver said:
I don't see the importance of backwards compatibility, never have. Who buys a 360 to play xbox games on? People who are seem to be playing PES5, so once that's out on 360 they won't even be playing that.
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There is a LONG list of great Xbox games which aren't on the 360. If the 360 had proper BC then 360 owners (who have one..) could sell their Xboxes. I personally think that BC is important to a lot of people.
 
dirtydog said:
lol.. a nice informed post there which ignores than MS has done the same thing. I will say now that I bet the PS3 will be backwards compatible with PS2 titles without needing a hard drive - and I expect all titles will be BC and work properly as well unlike the half-arsed effort MS has done with the 360.
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The backwards compatibly issue with the 360 is nothing to do with Microsofts half arsed effort it is more to do with the fact that the Xbox ran a nvidia GPU and the 360 has a ATI gpu. a lot of the programming that went into optimizing the xbox games to run on the nvidia gpu makes it very difficult for developers to get the game to run on the 360. (a lot of the coding has to be completely rewritten).

Agree with the HD point though. Its ridiculous that you need the HD for it to be backwards compatible.
 
dirtydog said:
There is a LONG list of great Xbox games which aren't on the 360. If the 360 had proper BC then 360 owners (who have one..) could sell their Xboxes. I personally think that BC is important to a lot of people.
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Like I say, to me it's a gimmic.

Don't suppose you have a 360 ?
 
oweneades said:
Agree with the HD point though. Its ridiculous that you need the HD for it to be backwards compatible.
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It's not ridiculous at all. The xbox had a built in HDD that the games used as cache. For the games to work on the 360 then it also needs the same cache. They should have not bothered with the core pack and just had the HDD built in, though I can see why they did it the way they did.
 
Ol!ver said:
It's not ridiculous at all. The xbox had a built in HDD that the games used as cache. For the games to work on the 360 then it also needs the same cache. They should have not bothered with the core pack and just had the HDD built in, though I can see why they did it the way they did.
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The HDD is needed because that's where it stores the emulation software to run the games. I daresay they could have 'emulated' the hard drive by caching in the 360's RAM (which is 800% bigger than the Xbox's after all).
 
Ol!ver said:
It's not ridiculous at all. The xbox had a built in HDD that the games used as cache. For the games to work on the 360 then it also needs the same cache. They should have not bothered with the core pack and just had the HDD built in, though I can see why they did it the way they did.
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Ah I didn't know that.

Although as Dirtdog has pointed out it could have been possible to use the 360's ram as cache for the games.
 
oweneades said:
Agree with the HD point though. Its ridiculous that you need the HD for it to be backwards compatible.
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Well, given that the original xbox had a HD by default and all games used it for cache, it would be impossible to implement BC without one (or at least an alternative fixed storage device).

Edit: Doh. Too late :D
 
Yes I'm sure if they can emulate an nvidia chip and a Celeron chip, they can manage to create a virtual hard drive device and ramdisk..
 
oweneades said:
Ah I didn't know that.

Although as Dirtdog has pointed out it could have been possible to use the 360's ram as cache for the games.
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How much RAM does the 360 have? Not sure how much the original used to cache, so that might not have been possible. Either way, like I've said, I would imagine the percantage of people with a 360 but haven't played an original game on it would be very high. How many played PS1 games on the PS2? I don't know of anyone.
 
Ol!ver said:
How much RAM does the 360 have? Not sure how much the original used to cache, so that might not have been possible. Either way, like I've said, I would imagine the percantage of people with a 360 but haven't played an original game on it would be very high. How many played PS1 games on the PS2? I don't know of anyone.
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It has 512MB, the Xbox had 64MB.
 
dirtydog said:
It has 512MB, the Xbox had 64MB.
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Sounds about right. I'd have imagined it cached more than that though surely. Anyone with a modded xbox care to have a look?

BTW you didn't answer my question DD. Do you have a 360?
 
Ol!ver said:
BTW you didn't answer my question DD. Do you have a 360?
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What question, I didn't really understand your post. No I don't have a 360 but I do have an Xbox and if I were to get a 360 tomorrow (or even in a year) there are many Xbox games I would still want to play.
 
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