Heel toe driving?

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Lashout_UK said:
Thing that always gets me - if you're going to that hassle, why are you bothering with the clutch. I don't.

Much faster if you just knock it out of fourth, blip the throttle with the heel of your foot and clip it into 3rd....or 2nd...etc.....get beautifully clean shifts, even on my old 1500 box.

Otherwise you're doing it for almost no benifit.
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You have to wait for engagement with this technique.

I don't fancy locking the rear wheels due to not rev matching.
 
Nozzer said:
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Ball of right foot on brake pedal heel rotated so that as your left foot puts the clutch in the heel can push the throttle to raise the revs for when your left foot brings the clutch up again.

Simple.
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erm other way round, heel on break and toe on throttle
 
jimblowscash said:
erm other way round, heel on break and toe on throttle
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Nope. Might be a matter of personal preference but for finer control, ball of foot > heel for feel.
 
jimblowscash said:
erm other way round, heel on break and toe on throttle
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Erm no, you brake with your toe and throttle with your heel, unless you have mutant feet.
 
I perfected Heel & toe driving in my old RS Turbo, after I crashed it, I decided I was'nt so good at it after all! :o

Best for track use, not roads, imo.
 
the "roadcraft" system of seperating out everything into a systematic approach seems good. they teach revmatching when downchanging too.

so the sequence for most downchanges (espeically towards corners) would be:

on the brakes, nip that speed.
off brakes
clutch in, select 2nd gear
blip throttle
off clutch.

not the fastest method of changing or cornering, but when combined with the other half of roadcraft (hazard perception, anticipation and observation) then it makes for one of the safer methods of driving.

it's how i was taught how to drive :)
 
Never done it.
Ever.
Not once.

Only thing i do even remotely beardy motor speak is block shift.
Thats the limit of my cardigan wearing.
 
Snow said:
the "roadcraft" system of seperating out everything into a systematic approach seems good. they teach revmatching when downchanging too.

so the sequence for most downchanges (espeically towards corners) would be:

on the brakes, nip that speed.
off brakes
clutch in, select 2nd gear
blip throttle
off clutch.

not the fastest method of changing or cornering, but when combined with the other half of roadcraft (hazard perception, anticipation and observation) then it makes for one of the safer methods of driving.

it's how i was taught how to drive :)
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Best solution IMO on the roads. Heel and Toe will save you a few tenths of a second at the expense of some control when going really hard, and is mostly entirely pointless (apart from the sound) if you block change on the road. (Sequential downshifting is another matter, as you may not be coming back onto the power between downshifts so you cannot do the above method).

I tend not to bother most of the time with trying to compress my braking/gearchange into a single motion, if I'm going fast enough for it to actually matter then I'm probably going way too fast for public roads. You can even compress the two without any need to heel and toe anyway, just slot the gear as you break then blip the throttle as you come off the brakes before you lift the clutch... Sure, it's not the best track technique, but it'll work just fine for road use.
 
Dolph said:
Best solution IMO on the roads. Heel and Toe will save you a few tenths of a second at the expense of some control when going really hard, and is mostly entirely pointless (apart from the sound) if you block change on the road. (Sequential downshifting is another matter, as you may not be coming back onto the power between downshifts so you cannot do the above method).

I tend not to bother most of the time with trying to compress my braking/gearchange into a single motion, if I'm going fast enough for it to actually matter then I'm probably going way too fast for public roads. You can even compress the two without any need to heel and toe anyway, just slot the gear as you break then blip the throttle as you come off the brakes before you lift the clutch... Sure, it's not the best track technique, but it'll work just fine for road use.
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I remember one of the last times we had a thread on this, hey Dolph, we had a bit of fun there :p

I always use H&T mixed with double declutching, which is I was taught, and therefore it is now, second nature for me, and I do not have to think about what is happeneing, I just do it naturally.
Personally I believe it is a much cleaner gentler gear change and much nicer for the gearbox and clutch and saves a lot of wear and tear on various parts.
 
Entai said:
I remember one of the last times we had a thread on this, hey Dolph, we had a bit of fun there :p
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Yeah, I remember that one, 4 pages wasn't it before we realised that I sequentially changed and you block changed.... Thereby meaning we were arguing the validity of different techniques without realising we were talking about totally different circumstances.

I always use H&T mixed with double declutching, which is I was taught, and therefore it is now, second nature for me, and I do not have to think about what is happeneing, I just do it naturally.
Personally I believe it is a much cleaner gentler gear change and much nicer for the gearbox and clutch and saves a lot of wear and tear on various parts.
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Now there is a smooth downchange method, just one I don't bother with as my left knee is buggered :) Well, apart from when driving landrovers with no synchro on 1st and 2nd...
 
Freefaller said:
Noooo don't start that again!!! :(
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Don't panic Mr Mainwareing, don't panic, I won't get too carried away this time, well, I'll try not to. :D


Lashout_UK said:
Double declutching, now there's something that's totally unnecessary in modern cars! :D
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You saw my arguements for and against D/D'ing the last few times this has come up, I guess each to their own opinion, and mine is that it is a good thing, and as I said in the last post, I do it without thinking, so it comes naturally.
I am not going to change my style of driving, and have to consciously think about every gear change just to please a few people (no offence meant), as personally I believe I would be a more dangerous driver if I was spending too much time thinking about how to change gear, rather than evereything else going on around me.
 
Dolph said:
Yeah, I remember that one, 4 pages wasn't it before we realised that I sequentially changed and you block changed.... Thereby meaning we were arguing the validity of different techniques without realising we were talking about totally different circumstances.
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I was fun though ;) ;)
 
S'alright, it was strictly tongue in cheek :p

You saw my arguements for and against D/D'ing the last few times this has come up,
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We're not arguing, it's just a "heated debate" :D - all makes interesting reading though! :)
 
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