Helicopter crashes into Glasgow pub

Freeman said:
4 people die per day on the roads in the UK. Where's the news reports on them? This is so over hyped by the media, once again.

It must be terrible news for the families but they're reporting that the whole of Scotland is in shock, and are finding it hard to believe!? What? Helicopter crashed, people died, report what happened, move on.

It must be very frustrating for the families who were involved who are no doubt being hassled by the media for an interview. But then people love being on TV don't they.

/rant.
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It's an unusual incident, a car crash tends not to be as you've said yourself. Not sure why you're surprised that it's receiving national news coverage.
 
maccapacca said:
1000's of people win Poker tournaments every year yet people still bang on about it 3 years later
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I see what you do there....

But yeah, this isn't just any story. Oh no, soldier stabbed in London, report it move on. Soldiers die everyday. No, the public want to know, this isn't just anything.
 
I used to cycle past this nearly every day and it is a busy wee pub. Always thought it looked a bit rough as per Shifty.

It's so close to the water that it's even more of a shame so many have died.

Doubt it ran out of fuel as they have so many warnings/backups for that. How unlikely is it for two engines to fail?

Edit: I don't understand the constant Scotland/Glasgow attitude spiel they are giving on the news....do other countries not help people in need?
 
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Freeman said:
4 people die per day on the roads in the UK. Where's the news reports on them? This is so over hyped by the media, once again.

It must be terrible news for the families but they're reporting that the whole of Scotland is in shock, and are finding it hard to believe!? What? Helicopter crashed, people died, report what happened, move on.

It must be very frustrating for the families who were involved who are no doubt being hassled by the media for an interview. But then people love being on TV don't they.

/rant.
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Spot on even though I live and work in Glasgow it doesn't affect me other than road closures. I'm not mourning the loss of 8 fellow citizens and to be frank as harsh as it sounds I don't care call me a heartless so and so as my other half did but unless something directly affects me it gets a gee that's sad and I get on with my life. I was the same with all the major incidents of the last few years 9/11 7/11 the attacks on glasgow airport etc etc. the world is a crappy place and bad things happen normally to decent people that's life
 
My mum has somehow linked herself to it via a workmates...friend......who's dads mate usually works on the helicopter had the night off and also my uncles cousin who was in the pub has a mate who has a broken neck.
 
Minutes silence at todays game for the crash. A lot of our players are Glasgow based and one player is a Policeman.
 
I guess the Police were just crashing the gig...

Looks like the Police were dropping in for a pint...

Anyway, moving on from my rather poor jokes, I understand why it's all over the news, but I do not understand why people are so 'shocked' nationwide about it, things like this happen all the time all over the world...'Only' 8 people died in the incident, but more than 8 would have died in the Middle East and that doesn't get massive air-time?
 
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Energize said:
How are people listed as missing? It's a pub, how big can it be in there?
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No confirmation that they were in the pub when the crash happened or no contact with family. Maybe they just stayed at friends instead, fact is police can't say either way until someone identifies the body.

The local Clyde area has regular flybys from helicopters with various tours (quite famous highland tour starts nearby) and hospitals. I'm more surprised that something like this hasn't already happaned by now.

Good to see that Glasgow Taxis are providing free transport to people affected by the tradegy though.

Sad to see people making light of events.
 
Well I must agree with those who have an inherent distrust of helicopters due to the large number of moving parts in the rotor assembly. If the rotor stops they drop like a stone.
 
I saw a picture of a police helicopter on twitter today with "LEST WE FORGET" splashed over it.....

REALLY?
 
bainbridge said:
Well I must agree with those who have an inherent distrust of helicopters due to the large number of moving parts in the rotor assembly. If the rotor stops they drop like a stone.
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There was something on the bbc news website, or more precisely a helicopter expert, who said that it should have been capable of some sort of gliding. Eye witness describe it coming down in a spiral I think. The aircraft had two engines, and I have a horrible feeling it will be another gearbox issue.
 
Biohazard said:
There was something on the bbc news website, or more precisely a helicopter expert, who said that it should have been capable of some sort of gliding. Eye witness describe it coming down in a spiral I think. The aircraft had two engines, and I have a horrible feeling it will be another gearbox issue.
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I think that following engine failure, provided the rotor is free to turn, the pilot can keep the rotor turning by maintaining some forward speed as he/she descends (auto-gyration?) so they will come in to land hard and fast but controlled.

If, like you say, it is the gearbox and for some reason the rotor got jammed then I think it would just fall out of the sky.
 
Spiralling = tail rotor failure, the thrust that should turn the main blade ends up turning the fuselage in the opposite direction and down you come with no directional control.
 
Just had a look on Wiki and the thing I was on about is called autorotation. All single-engined helicopters must be able to do this, so with the one that went down in Glasgow having 2 engines, maybe it wasn't capable of autorotation?
 
bainbridge said:
Just had a look on Wiki and the thing I was on about is called autorotation. All single-engined helicopters must be able to do this, so with the one that went down in Glasgow having 2 engines, maybe it wasn't capable of autorotation?
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Thats what these experts are saying, it should have been able to auto rotate to the ground but it didn't and that's raising questions.

on the radio tonight they are asking for pictures or video before the accident.
 
Auto-rotation can be done by all helicopters not just single engine ones.

The thing is the reponse-time in some helos is REALLY short. Engine fails and you have seconds to react. Delay any longer and the rotor RPM decays and then is too late.

There is a lever called the collective that the pilot holds (same position as a handbrake). On engine fail this lever is pushed down agressively. It controls the pitch of the main rotor blades and the intention is to keep the air flowing through the blades to keep them spinning. You remember those paper windmills we all played with when we were sprogs...you blew on em and they turned? Same thing.

At the last second before touchdown the pilot raises the collective to cushion the landing.
 
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