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for sure, too many exercises = waste of time.
I dropped bicep work out of my routine completely and concentrated on chins. Added an inch to my arms immediately (almost)
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for sure, too many exercises = waste of time.
I dropped bicep work out of my routine completely and concentrated on chins. Added an inch to my arms immediately (almost)
Exactly, there are 630 Muscles in the human body and people seem to want to work every single one of them with isolations. The fact is dips, cleans, squats, bench, shoulder press and pull/chin ups will more or less work every useful muscle in the body.
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Indeed. Wide grip chins are always going to be quite tough especially if you're heavy - I can do 3x12, but it's a real struggle.
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I wasn't. A, leg extensions are bs exercises. B, you haven't put any pull/chin ups in the routine (the point I was trying to make)
Leg extensions are not bs ex's, they are very good for strengthening the knees, this is the reason why every program I've ever been given by NFL strength coaches includes them.
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Hate leg extensions with a passion. Haven't touched them in years and don't plan on touching them any time soon.
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No, they're a good way for damaging the knees.
Squats work the quads harder, yet put nowhere near the amount of shearing force on the knee that leg extensions do.
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What you believe doesn't really matter, but the large amount of evidence that shows that they are bad does.
preachers preach bull**** as if it's real... your point?
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Try thinking outside the more-weight-is-better box for a second. Using max weight on leg extentions can be very tough on the knees. But used in correct volume, frequency and intensity, they are excellent for building strength and durability in the tendons and ligaments of the knee. Extending the leg is a very natural action for the leg muscles and a very important one especially in sports.
The leg extention has a place in any program, especially a strength oriented program, even though it is not directly a high workload exercise. At least thats my interperetation of why its prescribed in almost every top level strength routine ive seen.
EDIT preachers purvey opinion enthusiastically through belief in its validity. No one should be threatened by someone preaching with conviction unless they fear their own ability to seperate truth from fiction
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You don't have a clue in the slightest do you. Your just one of these people who talk a lot of talk but don't actually walk.
Funny enough Im more biased towards listening to strength coaches who train the worlds best athletes and have been doing so for decades rather then you.
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Might be a bit harsh m8. He's just another trainer who has learnt his 3x8's his 5x5's, 10x10's, hst, hiit, and many more acronyms besides. He knows his BCAA's and his EAA's, knows his carb-protein ratios and even watches his omega 3 intakes. No doubt he's mastered the powerclean and the deadlift. Perhaps he even has a competant go at the snatch now and again.
But like many of us, he forgets that he doesn't know it all, forgets that there is always something else to learn, forgets that there are people out there who study this stuff for a living, and are incredibly intelligent to boot. Even they are still learning every single day. Lets be sure NONE of us, myself more than inclusive, fall into the trap of ever thinking anything we believe is right and irrefutably so. For ignorance is a sure fire path to failure.
I know that everyone is learning, what I don't like is that he is claiming outright leg extensions are bad for you. While I'm sure doing them for some people can be bad, for most people if don't correctly they bring many benefits.
Most people who dismiss exercises as being bad for you have never actually tried them, much like the people who refuse to squat because they too are bad for your knees.
Most people who dismiss exercises as being bad for you have never actually tried them, much like the people who refuse to squat because they too are bad for your knees.
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yeah lol, i have a m8 who wont squat cos he's worried about his knees, wont deadlift in case his back gives out and wont bench cos his shoulders hurt. I think hes worried he might gain some muscle myself, or just scared of hard work
Why are leg extensions worse than squats? With a squat your knees, particularly where cartilage meets, takes the weight of the lifted weight and your body weight, all of which is then applied and rolled across the internal contact area. A leg extension doesn't bear this load. Have I missed a previous post somewhere and got this wrong?
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Nah its popular opinion that leg extensions are bad for the knees but anyone saying squats are bad for the knees is immediatley berated for being a pussy. Fact is weights are bad for all joints, long term and fundementally. But then breathing is bad for you cos if you do it long enough you die anyway. No exercise performed correctly is fundementally bad for you. Like steroids, its not the drug, its the application.
I'm not sure how Benjo come to that conclusion. I've been lifting for about 15 years and after having knee surgery recently I'm already planning my routine and it involves extensions.
My gripe with people saying "this is bad, that is bad" is that doing no exercise is worse for your health, so Benjo mate, please get a little perspective on the matter.
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for pure quad work, dont extensions recruit more muscle fibres in the quads than squats?
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on the subject of squats, being 6'5" with really long legs should I put my heels on a block of wood or not?
Caporegime
do you feel you need to ?