Help me to choose a right CPU

[TNA]

Got to be mad buying Intel now, even more security flaws just got found in them. Lol.

It was one of the main reasons I upgraded to AMD from Intel and I am glad I did.

 

[NinjaCool]

Maybe not exactly mad TNA but the continued security issues that's mostly affecting Intel CPU's should make even gamers take notice by now, since some of these mitigations, including the newest ones introduced today shows a small performance impact.
https://www.tomshardware.com/uk/new...ities-in-cascade-lake-chips-and-a-new-jcc-bug

 

[TNA]

Maybe not exactly mad TNA but the continued security issues that's mostly affecting Intel CPU's should make even gamers take notice by now, since some of these mitigations, including the newest ones introduced today shows a small performance impact.
https://www.tomshardware.com/uk/new...ities-in-cascade-lake-chips-and-a-new-jcc-bug

Yeah, still can't believe the OP went for a Intel system after doing a month of research...

I'd rather frantically rub the end of my knob with 60 grit sandpaper than buy a Intel CPU currently.

 

[acsiny]

Intel does not have PCI-e 4, save some cash and get a gen 3. I would not get an Intel at this point, too many security issues.

You're right.

 

[acsiny]

Folks,
I know AMD might be a better choice. I also know that buying the Intel CPU at this point in time is very unwise given that next year 10 gen is coming.
My problem is that I am running out of time, pancreas cancer, 3rd stage.
This is the last build of mine. I built 6 pc the since 2006. One of them was an AMD, bad one.
The chemo will be very tough and possibly I won't be able to survive. I like to make this one as best as possible and leave it to my family. This is the best choice I can figure out and anyway all are bought. I am particularly happy to get the Sabrent because in the region I am living this brand is not available.

Anyway, thanks for all your replies. It has a been a privilege to have all the discussions with you. May God be with you all.

 

[TNA]

Folks,
I know AMD might be a better choice. I also know that buying the Intel CPU at this point in time is very unwise given that next year 10 gen is coming.
My problem is that I am running out of time, pancreas cancer, 3rd stage.
This is the last build of mine. I built 6 pc the since 2006. One of them was an AMD, bad one.
The chemo will be very tough and possibly I won't be able to survive. I like to make this one as best as possible and leave it to my family. This is the best choice I can figure out and anyway all are bought. I am particularly happy to get the Sabrent because in the region I am living this brand is not available.

Anyway, thanks for all your replies. It has a been a privilege to have all the discussions with you. May God be with you all.

Sorry to hear that man

You can ignore my messages, obviously circumstances etc make a huge impact to choices made. Here's wishing you well.

 

[Chrisc]

Folks,
I know AMD might be a better choice. I also know that buying the Intel CPU at this point in time is very unwise given that next year 10 gen is coming.
My problem is that I am running out of time, pancreas cancer, 3rd stage.
This is the last build of mine. I built 6 pc the since 2006. One of them was an AMD, bad one.
The chemo will be very tough and possibly I won't be able to survive. I like to make this one as best as possible and leave it to my family. This is the best choice I can figure out and anyway all are bought. I am particularly happy to get the Sabrent because in the region I am living this brand is not available.

Anyway, thanks for all your replies. It has a been a privilege to have all the discussions with you. May God be with you all.

Sorry to hear that dude, all the best with your build and i hope for a full recovery

 

[humbug]

Folks,
I know AMD might be a better choice. I also know that buying the Intel CPU at this point in time is very unwise given that next year 10 gen is coming.
My problem is that I am running out of time, pancreas cancer, 3rd stage.
This is the last build of mine. I built 6 pc the since 2006. One of them was an AMD, bad one.
The chemo will be very tough and possibly I won't be able to survive. I like to make this one as best as possible and leave it to my family. This is the best choice I can figure out and anyway all are bought. I am particularly happy to get the Sabrent because in the region I am living this brand is not available.

Anyway, thanks for all your replies. It has a been a privilege to have all the discussions with you. May God be with you all.

This makes one stop and think, i hope you get through it, my thoughts are with you.

 

[Rroff]

Got to be mad buying Intel now, even more security flaws just got found in them. Lol.

It was one of the main reasons I upgraded to AMD from Intel and I am glad I did.

I have very mixed thoughts over this - I generally recommend friends/acquaintances, etc. buy AMD CPUs now for many builds none the less IMO Intel's i3 and i5 offerings are mostly taking the **** and at the end of the day on the security front it is less of a potential risk so one less thing to worry about.

On the security front though in reality most of these vulnerabilities don't really present much of a threat to the average consumer (and in fact much more serious ones have happened lately with Windows 10 that for some reason don't get as much exposure albeit Microsoft seems to be discovering and patching them much more quickly than Intel). Many more variants of Spectre will likely come to light over time as well as other side channel attacks but the nature of them means for most users they are highly unlikely to ever be attacked by them unless hosting services that can accept unsolicited external connections or remote users with some degree of permissions that allow them to execute code in unprivileged space at will.

Something that isn't really talked about much with these exploits is that they generally work by hammering the system with requests in such a way that privileged data is being moved into an area that it can be read (leaked) from or some other way in which repeated operations leak privileged data and to do so normally takes hours of repeatedly doing the same thing so as to actually locate the data and piece it together from amongst the noise of other leaked information - usually only successful when you have intimate knowledge of the system in the first place so as to narrow down where and in what format that data will be making it less useful for typical fire and forget malware that is used against consumer desktop targets (even a fairly small change in software configuration or unknown hardware configuration, etc. could mean it would need hands on adjustments by the attacker to actually work at all). In the real world it isn't how these systems normally work - information is generally loaded 2-3 times to the relevant buffers, etc. over the course of a normal session instead of the potentially 1000s of times a second needed to leak it inside 24 hours - meaning an attacker would have to constantly attack for a very long time while filtering a vast amount of data unless they were able to force the information to repeatedly appear where they wanted it. (What makes these kind of vulnerabilities noteworthy is that you can make the information leak across these boundaries in any form or timescale at all which just should not be possible).

Largely for the average consumer desktop if an attacker ever got to the point of exploiting these Intel flaws them there are other much more pressing security issues with the user's environment that need to be dealt with first. I am quite comfortable using Intel on the desktop but would be very wary of using them in server type tasks now especially anything serving databases or other multi-user hosted services, virtual machines/thin clients, etc. especially if there was an accountability involved such as the operations of a large corporation, etc.

 

[TNA]

I have very mixed thoughts over this - I generally recommend friends/acquaintances, etc. buy AMD CPUs now for many builds none the less IMO Intel's i3 and i5 offerings are mostly taking the **** and at the end of the day on the security front it is less of a potential risk so one less thing to worry about.

On the security front though in reality most of these vulnerabilities don't really present much of a threat to the average consumer (and in fact much more serious ones have happened lately with Windows 10 that for some reason don't get as much exposure albeit Microsoft seems to be discovering and patching them much more quickly than Intel). Many more variants of Spectre will likely come to light over time as well as other side channel attacks but the nature of them means for most users they are highly unlikely to ever be attacked by them unless hosting services that can accept unsolicited external connections or remote users with some degree of permissions that allow them to execute code in unprivileged space at will.

Something that isn't really talked about much with these exploits is that they generally work by hammering the system with requests in such a way that privileged data is being moved into an area that it can be read (leaked) from or some other way in which repeated operations leak privileged data and to do so normally takes hours of repeatedly doing the same thing so as to actually locate the data and piece it together from amongst the noise of other leaked information - usually only successful when you have intimate knowledge of the system in the first place so as to narrow down where and in what format that data will be making it less useful for typical fire and forget malware that is used against consumer desktop targets (even a fairly small change in software configuration or unknown hardware configuration, etc. could mean it would need hands on adjustments by the attacker to actually work at all). In the real world it isn't how these systems normally work - information is generally loaded 2-3 times to the relevant buffers, etc. over the course of a normal session instead of the potentially 1000s of times a second needed to leak it inside 24 hours - meaning an attacker would have to constantly attack for a very long time while filtering a vast amount of data unless they were able to force the information to repeatedly appear where they wanted it. (What makes these kind of vulnerabilities noteworthy is that you can make the information leak across these boundaries in any form or timescale at all which just should not be possible).

Largely for the average consumer desktop if an attacker ever got to the point of exploiting these Intel flaws them there are other much more pressing security issues with the user's environment that need to be dealt with first. I am quite comfortable using Intel on the desktop but would be very wary of using them in server type tasks now especially anything serving databases or other multi-user hosted services, virtual machines/thin clients, etc. especially if there was an accountability involved such as the operations of a large corporation, etc.

Yeah fair enough, each to their own. If you have a system ready then the situation is maybe not so bad that you should not use it out of fear. But my point is if you are building a new system, to go Intel now is not a good idea due to all the security issues they keep finding all the time. With Intel the cpu performance is lost a little each time they software patch these vulnerabilities.

That is my opinion, some would rather a handful of extra fps at potato resolutions. For me at 2160p there is no difference at all. Even if I was on 1080p I would go AMD personally. You get better price for performance, the ability to upgrade the CPU to Zen 3, none of the security issues. Not to mention Intel took the piscuit all those years of us with pricing and lack of advancement. Why reward them for that when there is actually a better alternative? A few fps??

 

[Woodsta888]

Yeah fair enough, each to their own. If you have a system ready then the situation is maybe not so bad that you should not use it out of fear. But my point is if you are building a new system, to go Intel now is not a good idea due to all the security issues they keep finding all the time. With Intel the cpu performance is lost a little each time they software patch these vulnerabilities.

That is my opinion, some would rather a handful of extra fps at potato resolutions. For me at 2160p there is no difference at all. Even if I was on 1080p I would go AMD personally. You get better price for performance, the ability to upgrade the CPU to Zen 3, none of the security issues. Not to mention Intel took the piscuit all those years of us with pricing and lack of advancement. Why reward them for that when there is actually a better alternative? A few fps??

Indeed, nearly all the performance for less of the cost. Same as you at 4k, even a 3600X will do 95%+ of the performance for half the cost of a 9900k @4k

 

[TNA]

Indeed, nearly all the performance for less of the cost. Same as you at 4k, even a 3600X will do 95%+ of the performance for half the cost of a 9900k @4k

My 3600 for £175 will do pretty much 100% what a 9900K does in games. I have mine clocked at 4.4GHz on all cores so I am far from being cpu bound

 

[deFiniLoGy]

Folks,
I know AMD might be a better choice. I also know that buying the Intel CPU at this point in time is very unwise given that next year 10 gen is coming.
My problem is that I am running out of time, pancreas cancer, 3rd stage.
This is the last build of mine. I built 6 pc the since 2006. One of them was an AMD, bad one.
The chemo will be very tough and possibly I won't be able to survive. I like to make this one as best as possible and leave it to my family. This is the best choice I can figure out and anyway all are bought. I am particularly happy to get the Sabrent because in the region I am living this brand is not available.

Anyway, thanks for all your replies. It has a been a privilege to have all the discussions with you. May God be with you all.

Bless you.

Build to your heart content, 9900KF Z390 all out watercooled!!