Help problem solving PC that won't boot please

Back - an expensive signature (thankfully not for me).

Ok, i'll put together some examples:

Keep in mind f you sell your CPU, and memory (depending on build) you would offset ~£180 depending on where you sell

Ryzen:

2600X as i can't bring myself to do plain 2600 as your previous CPU is on parity with it. The MSI motherboard has excellent VRMs for it's entry level and should play nicely with a stock Ryzen 2 if needed/wanted. 16Gb of 3000MHz memory - as stated Ryzen needs this bump in memory speed to perform optimally. And a passively cooled GT 1030 graphics card which will be fine for your new needs. Can swapped out for GTX 1050. You could also add a third party cooler - but if you're not clocking/gaming the stock cooler should suffice:

My basket at Overclockers UK:
Total: £504.06 (includes shipping: £11.10)
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INTEL - using existing memory and internal GPU:

i5 9600K retail longer guarantee (internal GPU), Gigabyte entry level motherboard as you have no intention of clocking (UK RMA and great representation on forums) - you use your current memory and the on board GPU:

My basket at Overclockers UK:
Total: £379.48 (includes shipping: £10.50)


Below is the ASUS board option:

My basket at Overclockers UK:
Total: £469.48 (includes shipping: £10.50)
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INTEL - 16Gg 3000MHz memory, discrete GPU:

i5 9600K retail longer guarantee (internal GPU), Gigabyte entry level motherboard as you have no intention of clocking (UK RMA and great representation on forums) - 2 x 8GB 300MHZ memory extra zip and more expansion choice, discrete graphics bonus of additional GPU for troubleshooting.

My basket at Overclockers UK:
Total: £542.46 (includes shipping: £10.50)
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I like your summary to @orbitalwalsh, better than I could have put it.
The more I think about it the more I prefer more open space in the case, if I ever need to reach cables etc when troubleshooting again. It was a struggle to get at the memory due to the cpu cooler and the SATA due to the large graphics card. So I like the idea of the shorter 1050.
What cooler would the i5 9600k require?

Any of the 3 mobo/cpu pairs you have mentioned plus a 1050 presumably means a less powerful PSU is required, how do I work out wattage?

You ask what I am happy spending, well I would rather not spend at all but where I have to spend I prefer good quality and potential longevity over saving money.
 
Drewb said:
Any of the 3 mobo/cpu pairs you have mentioned plus a 1050 presumably means a less powerful PSU is required, how do I work out wattage?
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With a build like that - the below are quality and ample. Both are semi passive and both Seasonic internals:

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Drewb said:
What cooler would the i5 9600k require?
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You want to bin your present one? If so do you want a smaller model, as in heat sink volume or smaller in fan size too - or totally different form factor? You could consider AIO - more points of failure, and noise of pump but you would like the workable space.

Drewb said:
So I like the idea of the shorter 1050.
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Small can mean noisy but this one is OK - plus Gigabyte (although creeping to budget 1060 prices):

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Display port versus HDMI, I always thought display port offered higher refresh rates or is that dependent on the graphics available?
The 1030 doesn't have display port, the Gigabyte mobo doesn't either, the Asus mobo does. I have a display port cable running inside the desk leg from the monitor to the PC case on he floor. I can get this changed with help if needs be.

It seems worth going for the Intel just to have on board graphics as a backup (or 2400 with iGPU and less processor power).

Is the 9600k mobo choice just between those two boards? Nothing between the two in price with a display port by any chance?

What about PSU, should I swap it as well and keep the old one as a spare?

I know it's starting to look like a new system now but given in the 90s I changed every 18 months and up until the last build every 3 years it's not so bad changing after 4.5 years.
 
Thanks for the PSU options.

That 1050Ti looks perfect :)

Re CPU cooler, I would like smaller if possible and less complicated fan setup, those alpenfohn clips are impossible to fit in at the bottom when the heatsink is in place. An all in one heatsink/fan would be good for me as long as it did the job.
 
I would keep the old PSU as a backup/spare.

I won't sell the 980Ti but offer it to my nephew and if he doesn't want it keep it also as a spare fro testing.

As always when I get going, I am spending far more than I need to to resolve the issue.
 
Drewb said:
Display port versus HDMI, I always thought display port offered higher refresh rates or is that dependent on the graphics available?
The 1030 doesn't have display port, the Gigabyte mobo doesn't either, the Asus mobo does. I have a display port cable running inside the desk leg from the monitor to the PC case on he floor. I can get this changed with help if needs be.
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Yes, that's a clarification that got swiped off my phone when typing/swiping - forgot to add it when got home.

For your uses HDMI would be fine, you wont need excessive refresh rates - but if you need DP you will have to pick motherboard and card accordingly - not sure the adaptors switch the way you need it to. BUt if you can change cable i would do that.
Drewb said:
It seems worth going for the Intel just to have on board graphics as a backup (or 2400 with iGPU and less processor power).

Is the 9600k mobo choice just between those two boards? Nothing between the two in price with a display port by any chance?
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None of the Gigabyte do but these both have DP:

My basket at Overclockers UK:



And still HDMI but prefer this Gigabyte and within budget:

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Drewb said:
What about PSU, should I swap it as well and keep the old one as a spare?
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Personally, until i knew it was damaged/dead - i would use it and not buy a PSU - you're talking about a day tops in waiting. And that is a premium supply: EVGA SuperNova P2 1000W '80 Plus Platinum' Modular Power Supply
 
Drewb said:
Re CPU cooler, I would like smaller if possible and less complicated fan setup, those alpenfohn clips are impossible to fit in at the bottom when the heatsink is in place. An all in one heatsink/fan would be good for me as long as it did the job.
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I think you would like the space and easy access an AIO would give you (i'm not a fan myself - i'm in the minority) - but there is a premium price to be paid. You won't be stressing the CPU so a single fan unit would suffice - but a 2 fan rad would result in a quieter system. If @orbitalwalsh appears he will have an opinion on this as he has more experience than myself using these in every flavour. But it could get expensive...

Or you could go old school:

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Yes I like the look of that cooler, the fan looks easier to clip on, it being on top not on the side.

I have 5 items in my basket coming to 99p short of £600 so I will leave the memory for another day and PSU only if reqd.

That isn't final on my basket but it contains that cooler, the last Gig mobo you posted, the Gig1050 you posted, the 9600k and an HDMI cable, just to give me an idea, I will hold off ordering until tomorrow around 14:00.
 
Look for the BB Code box when in your basket page. Tap on it and copy the text that appears within the pop-up box and paste it in your next post.
 
Christ! That's an expensive cold boot issue.

I'm glad you decided against the PSU - but in the same breath I'll repeat that I'm not 100% sure it's not the PSU at fault.

And while I'm exhaling I'll blurt out, one last time, you could buy a single PSU to test and return, in good faith, if it wasn't the issue - but if it was would save you £500.

But, appreciate your time constraints.
 
Plec said:
you could buy a single PSU to test and return, in good faith, if it wasn't the issue
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I wasn't ignoring this point you have well made. I have now got interested in putting the new kit together now though (OK it's not as exciting as the last build but still), it seems you can't get rid of that particular bug after 25 years of building my own PCs :)
It should also do for a few years, with a memory (and PSU) change if needed before that.

I looked at AIO but that simple cooler will do me.

Also I may sleep on it and change my mind completely tomorrow.
 
Drewb said:
I wasn't ignoring this point you have well made. I have now got interested in putting the new kit together now though (OK it's not as exciting as the last build but still), it seems you can't get rid of that particular bug after 25 years of building my own PCs :)
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I know, call it my disclaimer - plus it was long road to this point and i was concerned you forgot about a particular fork in the road.

Drewb said:
I looked at AIO but that simple cooler will do me.
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Yeah, it's simple and does the job well. I think it's the best compromise for your requirements.

Drewb said:
Also I may sleep on it and change my mind completely tomorrow.
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Totally, your prerogative and understandable when compiling a build - especially given your time constraints to make choices.
 
Can I just add that when we upgraded the bios, the pattern of the failure changed, I know we aren't getting to the bios window but it just feels more like a motherboard failure than PSU to me, although I bow to your superior experience in these matters.

Also £200 of that basket isn't necessary, I just want to reduce space in the case to make my life easier.

Anyway I am off until tomorrow now.

Thank you again so much for all the time you have spent on me and this problem :)
 
Drewb said:
Can I just add that when we upgraded the bios, the pattern of the failure changed, I know we aren't getting to the bios window but it just feels more like a motherboard failure than PSU to me, although I bow to your superior experience in these matters.
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Very possible - and i'm pretty sure we cleared the CMOS after the update(?). It has all the hall marks of a motherboard issue - but i've been proved wrong many times before, hence my non commitment.
Drewb said:
Also £200 of that basket isn't necessary, I just want to reduce space in the case to make my life easier.
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Totally, understandable - everyone seeks an easier life, if they've got any sense.
Drewb said:
Thank you again so much for all the time you have spent on me and this problem :)
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No worries - just hope we get a combination that works for you.
 
Read through the thread again to see if we missed anything before heading to bed.

The one thing that popped out is the 'non-lithium' battery we traded for the CMOS battery. Did you pickup the CR 2032 that your friend with the prime account ordered?

If you did I would replace the scale's battery with the new one. Treat it like a proper CMOS reset - unplug the kettle lead, take out the battery and then press the power button on the case to totally deplete any residual power. Wait a 10 minutes and then place the new battery in.

Give it a whirl.

*Even if you haven't got the new batteries - try the same with the old battery - exactly the same procedure - one last roll of the dice to placate a niggle.
 
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