hifi Delusion at it's greatest?

does everyone laugh at what they clearly dont understand?

Im not saying this pparticullar cable is any good - but I know the company is well thought of (in the av world as a whole)

I have to make clear I DO NOT OWN any of this brand or anything like it

It IS possible for sound waves to be improved by having a better (or cleaner) power supply - I would fully agree that the mention of resolution improvement is absolute ****, but I dont see why picture clarity cant be improved as audio can be (and yes clarity is different from resolution)

hey Im probably going to be shouted down here, but maybe a few around here should actually listen first before judging ......and no very little will improve a £200 midi system apart from throwing it away and starting again
 
FrankJH said:
does everyone laugh at what they clearly dont understand?
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I know exactly what it does, and that's exactly why I won't be buying into it! :p


I have ran computer simulations of cables in different applications in the past based around thier known LRC values and the results (given by the same computer simulation software used to design Hi-Fi and all manner of modern electronics in the first place) showed negligible degredation. It's irrelevant regardless of the cost of the system.
 
No No - that's nothing. Anyone know about Peter Belt?

See this site for comedy gold:

http://www.belt.demon.co.uk/index.html

Examples include:

Pinning back one corner of a curtain in your listening room
Freezing your CD before playing it
Aligning the slots in all the screw heads in your room (light switch panels etc.)

This guy has been around for years with this stuff. Back in the 80s he was selling a 'special' foil that you cut up into little triangles and stuck on your plugs, CDs etc..

Believe it or not this stuff used to get serious coverage in the big name hifi mags at the time.
 
Didn't we have this thread a couple of months ago, which degenerated into the "go listen for yourself" and the "can't possibly be true because of..."?

Don't get me wrong, I know nothing at all about the power cables in question and have never used them. For all I know, maybe they have zero effect.

Having said that, I have tried aftermarket power cables (some of which IMO made an amp of mine actually sound worse). I now use a pair of non-cheap power cables for my amp and processor.
I'll make the offer now. If any of the "that's gotta be rubbish because of..." crowd fancy coming to down to south London, I'll happily hold a quick blind test between some boggo power cables and ones I use with my amp.

Anyone up for it?
 
Mr S - are you using something to clean the mains supply or are you claiming that these cords make a difference when plugged straight into the wall? Even though 5p/meter cable takes it from the socket to the fuse box...

If there is something sitting between the mains supply and the amp to 'de-noise' the supply then this can make a difference (albeit probably not £600s worth).

In my house, if I flick one of the lights on with a dimmer (so that the connection is *just* made - or probably breaking/making many times a second) then my CDP skips. Mains is noisey and if you're cleaning it up you might see a benefit to using a decent quality mains lead between the clean source and the amp.

Before you flame, no I don't use anything like that
 
Mr_Sukebe said:
Didn't we have this thread a couple of months ago, which degenerated into the "go listen for yourself" and the "can't possibly be true because of..."?

Don't get me wrong, I know nothing at all about the power cables in question and have never used them. For all I know, maybe they have zero effect.

Having said that, I have tried aftermarket power cables (some of which IMO made an amp of mine actually sound worse). I now use a pair of non-cheap power cables for my amp and processor.
I'll make the offer now. If any of the "that's gotta be rubbish because of..." crowd fancy coming to down to south London, I'll happily hold a quick blind test between some boggo power cables and ones I use with my amp.

Anyone up for it?
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Yeh there was a thread concerning analogue audio cables, something which is highly disputed. However a power cable with a decent degree of quality and integrity against the £60 or £230 cable WILL NOT sound different. If you think that becuase its sheilded its different, you're terribly mislead.


Lets look at a power cable: Fuse, cable. Fuse will have no affect on low currents ( assuming the fuse is rated properly) and a cable is a cable...


The only way you can clean up a mains signal is capacitors.. I don't see any capacitors in those cables
 
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ojrules said:
Yeh there was a thread concerning analogue audio cables, something which is highly disputed. However a power cable with a decent degree of quality and integrity against the £60 or £230 cable WILL NOT sound different. If you think that becuase its sheilded its different, you're terribly mislead.


Lets look at a power cable: Fuse, cable. Fuse will have no affect on low currents ( assuming the fuse is rated properly) and a cable is a cable...
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Well you've quoted my post, but don't seem to have read or understood it all.

How about putting your prejudices for one side just for a little while and come and actually have a listen and make up your own mind.
 
Mr_Sukebe said:
Well you've quoted my post, but don't seem to have read or understood it all.

How about putting your prejudices for one side just for a little while and come and actually have a listen and make up your own mind.
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You said how about a blind test.. I was explaining it is so highly improbable that the power cord can make such a signifiant difference as to recognise...


If you notice i breifly mentioned analogue cables but only wrote "highly disputed", as i think there is too much conflicting information, and having not made a comparison could not make a appropriate or justified opinion. £230 a metre power cable on the other hand, i can make a comment. Notice how whathifi makes claims which are to all intents and purposes impossible..
 
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I agree with your sentiments. I studied electrical engineering at college and have no idea how a change to a power cable could make the slightest difference. However, I ran a dem myself, and felt that the improvement was big enough to justify the cost.

So I'm simply making you the offer. If you wish to come and have a listen to see if there are any differences, as against simply assuming that there will be none based upon what you know, then you're welcome to pop down.
 
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Often called 'kettle leads' but they aren't. A kettle lead is a different thing. The proper name for it is an IEC lead, but which I can't remember (and wiki is down) They are physically different.
 
FrankJH said:
It IS possible for sound waves to be improved by having a better (or cleaner) power supply - I would fully agree that the mention of resolution improvement is absolute ****,
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CORRECT BUT the mains cable makes absolutely no difference whatsoever! what makes the difference is the supply coming into your house (youd be alarmed if you knew just how spikey and how much fluctuation a normal house recieves) and more importantly power supply regulation (to get rid of aformetnioned spikes and fluctuations)
 
danza said:
A sixty quid cable ultimately made totally pointless by the fact that the cables in the walls are just as crap as those in a bog standard kettle lead.

I really cannot see how people can't see this.
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Correct - unless there is something inbetween the socket on the wall and the amp to clean up the AC supply, in which case there may be an arguement...
 
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