I don't understand?
Your entitled to 28 days paid leave. But they don't have to pay you for all of em?
Holiday Pay System vs. Time and a Half
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I don't understand?
Your entitled to 28 days paid leave. But they don't have to pay you for all of em?
That's actually my employer
You can't store holiday pay anymore, its cashed out on the anniversary of your employment.
At national stores there is no time and a half anymore. Never, all wages are flat rate.
So would I be right in saying this:
Having made ~£6k last year I worked ~1100h @£5.37. 12.07% of that works out at about 132 hours. Is that shift hours or day hours? Cos either I was only entitled to 5.5days paid leave or a fair few 8 hour shifts!
Working hours, so you should be able to (roughly speaking) take approx 16.5 days holiday, which given that your working ours (on 8 hour shifts) work out at just under 3 days a week, gives you 5.5 weeks of paid holiday
No, no you aren't. This only applies if you work 5 days a week. If you do any other working pattern, the entitlement varies
You are entitled to 5.6 weeks of holiday, so to work out the number of days, you multiply the number of days you are in work per week by 5.6
If you work a flexible or zero hours contract, then your entitlement is calculated based on your previous worked hours to give you the equivalent of 5.6 of your average working weeks off in 12 months.
They have to pay you for all of them. But they can't get away with just paying you what you're contracted, since most people in retail have a lower contract than what they usually work.
The calculation is to determine how many hours you really work so that you get a fair amount of holiday pay.
That is exactly the point I made, even down to the link I posted
Quoted the wrong post, meant to quote The Halk....
at meWorking hours, so you should be able to (roughly speaking) take approx 16.5 days holiday, which given that your working ours (on 8 hour shifts) work out at just under 3 days a week, gives you 5.5 weeks of paid holiday
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5.5 weeks! Paid?! Thats insane, I don't think they'd give me that
You're nitpicking. The 5.6 weeks is derived from 28 days.
But then how does that affect the silly system Mcdonalds use where you are paid a flat rate and an extra few pence which they bank and hold onto for you. They call it holiday pay :S
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5.5 weeks! Paid?! Thats insane, I don't think they'd give me that
That's pretty much dead on what they legally have to give you, when you ignore the rounding errors from my quick calculation.
Of course, it never seems that long when you're actually taking it unless you actually take it in full week blocks.
The 28 days is derived from the 5.6 weeks........
I have no idea at all. You might be best to think of it as a way to work things out.
Just be sure that you get paid when you're on holiday and that you get roughly an average weeks wage for a weeks holiday. I would expect McDonalds to get it right, but the actual franchisee may decide to try and skim your holiday pay and "make a mistake" calculating it.
Yes, which happens to be 28 days.
They decided to have 28 days for someone who works 5 days a week, and put that into weeks so that it could be applied to everybody, which is 5.6 weeks.
I don't think someone who works 1 day a week is going to say "Oh goodie, 28 weeks holiday!"
No, you're just wrong.
Someone who works 2 days a week is not entitled to 28 days holiday, they are entitled to just over 11.
Holiday entitlement in law is given in weeks, not days, precisely to prevent this sort of confusion. (see The Working Time regulations 1998 and subsequent amendments)
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5.5 weeks! Paid?! Thats insane, I don't think they'd give me that
They have to by law. It is a working week with respect to what you work as a week. So if you work one day a week, your weeks holiday is one day not five working days.
I get 35 paid days (7 weeks) a year. Straightforward system, with bank holidays just merged into normal holiday time and treated as any other day. I think I still get time and a half if I work on a bank holiday, but I haven't bothered looking at my pay for a few years and I'm not sure.
I didn't say I wasn't wrong. I'm barely wrong though. It's clear what I meant unless you're intentionally trying to find fault.
You're nitpicking to score internet points.
They're entitled to the equivalent of 28 days holiday, pro rata - which as you've said is easiest calculated by 5.6 weeks.
So to summarise working 1100h over a year meant that I was entitled to 5.5weeks of leave where I was paid my average work (3x8h shifts according to Dolphs maths) which at £5.37p/h means I have 5.5weeks of leave earning £128.88 a week?
When is the cutoff for leave?
When is the cutoff for leave?
End of the holiday year. Some will let you carry over but if you don't take the time off you can lose the holiday and they arent at liberty to pay you for them either. Don't forget the holiday isn't necessarily the same as the financial year.
That's right Lunawolfy. I didn't realise anyone was that poorly paid.... I hope you're a student and it's only temporary!
The cutoff for leave depends on your employer (unless it's been standardised) some work on a tax year, some work on a calendar year, others on their own.
The way your system works though there must be some provision for a minimum amount if you've been there less than a year though - otherwise this holiday bank system would mean you'd be grossly underpaid.
The cutoff for leave depends on your employer (unless it's been standardised) some work on a tax year, some work on a calendar year, others on their own.
The way your system works though there must be some provision for a minimum amount if you've been there less than a year though - otherwise this holiday bank system would mean you'd be grossly underpaid.
Having worked at Mcdonalds for the best part of 10 years I know how there system works. If you work full time you should accure enough `holiday pay` to have your full entitlement of `holiday` work part time and you only accure `holiday pay` at a slower rate so would only get paid for less time off.
What you also have to think about when it comes to Mcdonalds is that they pride themselves on offering very flexible employment, I.e Students and young people. It is quite common for people to just have random days off here and there and sometimes in my experience more time off than they are legally entitled to but you of course are not paid for these days off unless you want to take some of your `holiday money`
Also in my experience Mcdonalds give the smallest amount it can to the people that work for them. They always wave the golden carrot infront of you to motivate you to do more than you actually want to with the promise of further promotion and rewards that in my experience are never forthcoming. I would suggest its a very good first job for a number of people becuase it isnt as easy as it looks believe me and it can be quite a learning experience for some people. I have a close group of friends who I met working at Mcdonalds who have all gone on to better things and we all meet up now and again for some drinks and laugh at the people that are still working there who it seems cannot see a way out. Kinda sad for them I suppose but I am just glad I got out of that job when I did.
What you also have to think about when it comes to Mcdonalds is that they pride themselves on offering very flexible employment, I.e Students and young people. It is quite common for people to just have random days off here and there and sometimes in my experience more time off than they are legally entitled to but you of course are not paid for these days off unless you want to take some of your `holiday money`
Also in my experience Mcdonalds give the smallest amount it can to the people that work for them. They always wave the golden carrot infront of you to motivate you to do more than you actually want to with the promise of further promotion and rewards that in my experience are never forthcoming. I would suggest its a very good first job for a number of people becuase it isnt as easy as it looks believe me and it can be quite a learning experience for some people. I have a close group of friends who I met working at Mcdonalds who have all gone on to better things and we all meet up now and again for some drinks and laugh at the people that are still working there who it seems cannot see a way out. Kinda sad for them I suppose but I am just glad I got out of that job when I did.