House prices rose 7.3% this year, average now almost £250k

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My grandad came to the UK with nothing. He lived in caravan in the garden of some middle class English family. He worked as farmer and then on the railways, had to learn English as well. Eventually moved into his own house and was the first person on the street to get a car. I know it feels like you've got a mountain to climb, but it's not really, not compared to 60-70 years ago.

The property market is unlikely to change to suit your circumstances, even if it is broken.
Eh? In that time we've gone from full employment (seriously, there were not enough workers and employers would compete for workers) to today. We've gone from average house prices of 3x or 4x to 15-30x today.

How anyone can say, with a straight face, that it's easier today to get on the housing market, it's actually funny.

How far do you want to go back anyhow. I mean we used to be a country of peasants and serfs, maybe we can roll that out to show how people today have never had it so good?
 
My Grandad lived in t' shoebox in t' middle o' t' road, he worked 28 hours a day at t' mill, and when he got home his mum an dad would thrash him to death wi' t' broken bottle and dance up and down on his grave singing 'Hallelujah'. Tell that to t' young 'uns today, an they won't believe you.
My Grandad was a queen wasp. He pulled himself up by his bootstraps so hard, that first he evolved into a beaver, then a horse, then finally after he bought his third Rolls Royce, he became a real person.

If he could do it, so can you.
 
Eh? In that time we've gone from full employment (seriously, there were not enough workers and employers would compete for workers) to today. We've gone from average house prices of 3x or 4x to 15-30x today.
That doesn't sound right.

250k ÷ 40k is about 6

Even two people on 20k ought to be able to buy something if they are sensible.

Anecdotal, but my neighbours son has a brand new 20 plate hot hatchback, while being a parasite at home. The problem today is people don't have their priorities right.
 
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Me personally? It's in Glasgow, and my job is in Cornwall...

I'm not sure how moving to Glasgow and giving up my job here really helps. I might not be able to find work in Glasgow?

Also it's two small rooms and a shared communal hall. If that's a flat then so is my wardrobe. For £100k, wow, such value. And I still get to pay a service charge for the communal area.

Just lol.

Anybody defending the housing market has totally lost touch with the reality of your average lower-paid worker. Or (as you do) think we should just house the population in wardrobe-sized boxes. Factor in that many have families, and can't live in a wardrobe..

Listen, @Psycho Sonny . Let me phrase this another way.

Why can't you find a different job? That's right. Why can't you stop being a landlord and do something worthwhile, instead? Like a nurse or an engineer.

You keep saying why the lower paid should move and change careers. Why can't you allow the state to provide housing, and change YOUR career? Go do something that actually adds value.

Try it, you might like it. Rather than being a landlord. Which is imho a somewhat parasitic vocation ;)

Ahh said Mr Stalin , welcome to Communism . :D

You really don’t like landlords do you , just thought I’d pipe up and tell you I’m buying another .
 
That doesn't sound right.

250k ÷ 40k is about 6

Even two people on 20k ought to be able to buy something if they are sensible.

Anecdotal, but my neighbours son has a brand new 20 plate hot hatchback, while being a parasite at home. The problem today is people funny have their priorities right.

Argued this for years , apparently the entitled don’t agree . I want a house on Sandbanks , guess what I can’t afford it so,I’ll have to buy elsewhere ..
 
My wife and I basically had no extravagant spending for 1.5 years to be able to afford our first home, saved 20k. Priorities yo.

We bought a house that needed a bit of work. 3 years post purchase and we are sitting on 100k of equity if we sold.
 
That doesn't sound right.

250k ÷ 40k is about 6

Even two people on 20k ought to be able to buy something if they are sensible.
Personally, I think the average wage figures are skewed by the increasing wealth gap between top and bottom earners. Esp down here, where the contrast is fairly stark.

Put it this way: a lot of people here in Cornwall (note: we can't all up and move to Glasgow) earn around £15-£25k a year.

Would you rather have 90s prices where a 3-bed cost £40k, and your wage was £10k, or today where your wage is £15k and the same house is £300k?

Sure you can get a tiny flat for £150k. Or you can even rent a room in a shared house for £700pm.

But it used to be that people could buy a family house on a fairly unremarkable wage.

So, what happened? Why do you now need to be a top earner to buy a family house?

What's changed so much between the 90s and now? We've allowed housing to be a speculative asset instead of letting housing be housing.

Not everyone can be top earners. We need people to do **** jobs and mundane jobs. Only now we punish them by siphoning off their money to rich BTL landlords.

All these stories of Grandads rising up from nothing are lovely and all. But today we've made that rising up story a pleasant fantasy. Because today those at the bottom are trapped at the bottom.
 
My wife and I basically had no extravagant spending for 1.5 years to be able to afford our first home, saved 20k. Priorities yo.

We bought a house that needed a bit of work. 3 years post purchase and we are sitting on 100k of equity if we sold.
That last part. Does that sound sustainable to you?

That a house can rise £100k in 3 years?

Do you think that is a good thing? Or that we can keep these price rises coming with no ill effects?
 
That last part. Does that sound sustainable to you?

That a house can rise £100k in 3 years?

Do you think that is a good thing? Or that we can keep these price rises coming with no ill effects?

A lot of it comes from people turning their noses up at the property because it needed work. It was on the market 6+ months.

Yes it's not all sunshine and roses, but you make your own luck.
 
A lot of it comes from people turning their noses up at the property because it needed work. It was on the market 6+ months.

Yes it's not all sunshine and roses, but you make your own luck.
I'd rather not rely on luck. I'd rather we legislated against things like foreign ownership, have proper rent controls, etc.

And that the govt should stop doing everything in its power to stop the market correcting. Propping it up at every opportunity.

"Communism," as the other chap said :p

(When the govt uses our money to inflate the housing bubble you don't hear them complaining)
 
That last part. Does that sound sustainable to you?

That a house can rise £100k in 3 years?

Do you think that is a good thing? Or that we can keep these price rises coming with no ill effects?

There's a market limit and that's a natural thing that doesn't need imposing.

Places like Cornwall and London are special cases anyway, there's not enough supply to meet the demand.
 
I'd rather not rely on luck. I'd rather we legislated against things like foreign ownership, have proper rent controls, etc.

And that the govt should stop doing everything in its power to stop the market correcting. Propping it up at every opportunity.

"Communism," as the other chap said :p

(When the govt uses our money to inflate the housing bubble you don't hear them complaining)

If there were a large hypothetical correction in housing prices who would be bailing out the banks that have lent all the mortgage debt then? You can't have millions of households in negative equity and then subsequently unable to get low rates.
 
If there were a large hypothetical correction in housing prices who would be bailing out the banks that have lent all the mortgage debt then? You can't have millions of households in negative equity and then subsequently unable to get low rates.

There would be a generation of people like myself who've only just got a foot in the door in negative equity.
 
If there were a large hypothetical correction in housing prices who would be bailing out the banks that have lent all the mortgage debt then? You can't have millions of households in negative equity and then subsequently unable to get low rates.

People borrowed money to buy an asset that went down in value, tough luck. Let them deal with their own problems. They should pull themselves up by their bootstraps. Do you think the government should guarantee returns on investments people make on leverage? :D As for banks, they lent money to people who made investments that didn't pay off, let them fail. Then bail out the bank's customers (like some countries did in the GFC) rather than the banks themselves.

It's funny people who are all about putting yourself up and love the free market somehow expect the government to turn up and save their investments.

If housing is an investment it should be allowed to go down and fail. If it's not an investment it should not be profitable to own/hoard houses. Simple as that. You can't capitalise the gains and socialise the losses.
 
If there were a large hypothetical correction in housing prices who would be bailing out the banks that have lent all the mortgage debt then? You can't have millions of households in negative equity and then subsequently unable to get low rates.
So instead lets just keep making the problem worse?

And keep having the govt inject money so the bubble can keep inflating?

Yeah I'd love to see the outcome of that. From a distance. From outside the UK, preferably.
 
People borrowed money to buy an asset that went down in value, tough luck. Let them deal with their own problems. They should pull themselves up by their bootstraps. Do you think the government should guarantee returns on investments people make on leverage? :D As for banks, they lent money to people who made investments that didn't pay off, let them fail. Then bail out the bank's customers (like some countries did in the GFC) rather than the banks themselves.

It's funny people who are all about putting yourself up and love the free market somehow expect the government to turn up and save their investments.

If housing is an investment it should be allowed to go down and fail. If it's not an investment it should not be profitable to own/hoard houses. Simple as that. You can't capitalise the gains and socialise the losses.
I am for people pulling themselves up when young, but you don't want to spring this kind of thing on families in the middle of the lives. It's just chaos.

Should have never been allowed to get into this state, it is ridiculous.

I don't even have a mortgage so it's all relative to me.
 
If housing is an investment it should be allowed to go down and fail. If it's not an investment it should not be profitable to own/hoard houses. Simple as that. You can't capitalise the gains and socialise the losses.
And they have no problem with the govt measures that keep prices inflating, it seems.
 
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