How did you become left-wing?

kwerk said:
The UK conservatives are NOT right wing. They are probably left of the US democrats actually.

When I start hearing them chat about:

  • putting troops on the border with shoot to kill orders for illegal immigrants.
  • sterilizing poor people
  • ending 90% of welfare
  • legal gun carrying
  • legal assault rifles and handguns
  • ending VAT and stuff like that
  • ending the BBC
  • pro death penalty
  • banning abortion

That's what I'd consider right wing and what I hear every day normal people advocating where I live.

I read today about a lady in Saudi Arabia who got acid thrown in her face and the prison system was going to BLIND her attacker in prison as punishment, at her choice. She had a choice of him getting a life-sentence, death or BLINDING. Can you imagine ANYONE calling for that law in the UK?

I think it's great BTW.
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You could quite possibly be poorer than me. Thus from my perspective you would be poor.

The doctors are arriving tomorrow. Be a good boy, thats it's, its for your own good =).

Do you see the stupidity of that policy yet?
 
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hurfdurf said:
I was a raving right winger, might is right, libertarian esq, Tory.

Then I got a degree in Politics and suddenly "common sense" Daily Mail style opinions seemed such a silly thing to be basing views on and started dealing with facts and peer reviewed research and it became clear that not only are the left of centresih people demonstratively correct they are demonstratively more intelligent.

Once you start arguing with facts and figures, the left wins.

In short, I became educated. (also I watched and understood The West Wing)
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Libertarian actually sounds quite left wing for most people on this forum. If you're a libertarian, you do not like state intervention at all. This is why 100% pure libertarian parties actually allow gay marriage, legalise drugs, allow abortion etc etc But right wing parties tend to latch on to their economic policies but ignore social issues.

I'm quite libertarian in many ways, I like capitalism because I believe the profit motive can really push human innovation but I'm also what most people would consider left on social issues.

But i'm not 100% libertarian, classical liberalism maybe? I don't know.

I think kwerk guy is authoritarian, considering he wants to force sterilising, and ban abortion. Maybe he would like to know some of the most devastating left wingers were also authoritarian...
 
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UK-AL05 said:
I'm quite libertarian in many ways, I like capitalism because I believe the profit motive can really push human innovation but I'm also what most people would consider left on social issues.
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Problem being of course left wing economics require authoritarian force.

The more you want to take from people the stronger you must be to stop them refusing.
 
I became left wing when I realized that the easiest path most often isn't the right one. It's easy to blame all the worlds problems on immigration, or some group you don't like, or some consequential government spending decision. But when it comes down to it if there's something you don't like then you can whine about it and complain about it on internet forums 'till the cows come home - the only thing that's going to make one bit of difference is you. And if you really care about it then you'll suffer for it, and you won't forget about it the moment things start getting a little bumpy.

Nobody really wants to live their life based on hate, they just do because it's easy. it's also easy to pretend that that solves anything, or that it means you're significant in some way. Somewhere, deep down, everybody really cares. Everybody wants to live in a 'perfect' world with no suffering, where everybody does what they want because they can, because that's all you can ever hope to do on this tiny, insignificant pale blue dot. Just nobody wants to put the effort in. And why would you when you can just pretend that this ride is... real.

Yes, it's a dream that's not likely to come true any time soon. And if there's anything to be learned from the left as it is, with its countless divides, rifts and sects it's that if you try to force a dream then you'll just end up pushing it further away. But if nobody lives the dream it might as well be dead, and if you do believe in it then sometimes it can be just like a good love - all that you think about. If you nurture it, and don't give up and take the easy way out well then someday maybe, just maybe, it will come to you.


tl;dr - I'm not right wing because I'm not selfish and lazy ;)

Ah, the joys of posting at five in the morning then not proof reading because you're on your phone :D
 
tl;dr - I'm not right wing because I'm not selfish and lazy
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that why you were so offended when you were asked to pay a slightly high % for your higher education insted of expecting everyone else to do it for you?
 
Tefal said:
that why you were so offended when you were asked to pay a slightly high % for your higher education insted of expecting everyone else to do it for you?
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Because a society based on love doesn't ask of people what they don't have for something they need.

Society pays for education because society gains from education.
 
PermaBanned said:
I became left wing when I realized that the easiest path most often isn't the right one. It's easy to blame all the worlds problems on immigration, or some group you don't like, or some consequential government spending decision. But whein it comes down to it if there's something you don't like then you can whine about it and complain about it on internet forums 'till the cows come home - the only thing that's going to make one bit of difference is you. And if you really care about it then you'll suffer for it, and you won't forget about it the moment things start getting a little bumpy.

Nobody really wants to live their life based on hate, they just do because it's easy. it's also easy to pretend that that solves anything, or that it means you're significant in some way. Somewhere, deep down, everybody really cares. Everybody wants to live in a 'perfect' world with no suffering, where everybody does what they want because they can, because that's all you can ever hope to do on this tiny, insignificant pale blue dot. Just nobody wants to put the effort in. And why would you when you can just pretend that this ride is... real.

Yes, it's a dream that's not likely to come true any time soon. And if there's anything to be learned from the left as it is, with its countless divides, rifts and sects it's that if you try to force a dream then you'll just end up pushing it further away. But if nobody lives the dream it might as well be dead, and if you do believe in it then sometimes it can be just like a good love - all that you think about. If you nurture it, and don't give up and take the easy way out well then someday maybe, just maybe, it will come to you.


tl;dr - I'm not right wing because I'm not selfish and lazy ;)

Ah, the joys of posting at five in the morning then not proof reading because you're on your phone :D
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I agree. Most of the stuff you ever post on this forum can usually be categorised into the heading CRAP. And thus we can conclude the general gist of most people who proclaim (castrate) themselves lefty hippy weirdos.
 
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LoGaN_TnT said:
I am right wing BNP Nick would sort the UK out.;)
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I suppose it depends what how you define sort out, the BNP might well effect a change but I'd be fairly certain it wouldn't be to somewhere that I'd be comfortable to live.

kwerk said:
The UK conservatives are NOT right wing. They are probably left of the US democrats actually.
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The USA is traditionally a much more conservative and right wing country to begin with so if you view that as a baseline then yes, even right wing UK parties may be to the left of the US Democrats. However as mentioned before it's a question of picking a standpoint that is so far right that when you look across everything else is to the left of it.

A few of the things you mention aren't merely a bit right wing, they're extremely right wing to the point of being authoritarian and facistic.
 
I did the old Political Compass test and I am neither left or right according to it.

I think I am possibly a little to the right if you start adding weighting to the topics.

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kwerk said:
I read today about a lady in Saudi Arabia who got acid thrown in her face and the prison system was going to BLIND her attacker in prison as punishment, at her choice. She had a choice of him getting a life-sentence, death or BLINDING. Can you imagine ANYONE calling for that law in the UK?

I think it's great BTW.
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Mahatma Ghandi said:
An eye for an eye makes the whole world blind.
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You're an imbecile if you think anywhere should be learning from Saudi Arabian law.
 
spudbynight said:
I did the old Political Compass test and I am neither left or right according to it.

I think I am possibly a little to the right if you start adding weighting to the topics.

http://www.politicalcompass.org/facebook/pcgraphpng.php?ec=0.12&soc=-0.15
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I don't like that test. Far too "yes/no" and not enough inbetween imo. A lot of those questions I would need a discussion to get the right answer - I neither agreed nor disagreed with a lot of them because they often are too extreme/exact of an example to agree/disagree with. :)

E.g. "That which is good for successful businesses is always good for everyone" I'd like to have answered "not always" but couldn't.. so had to choose disagree, which is not what I was actually doing! :)
 
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