How did you know what to do for a living?

How does removing a video head form a video recorder relate to chemistry?
How does taking the back off a TV to see how it works relate to chemistry?
I still don't get it.
If he took things apart (I'm assuming gadgets) then I can't see where chemistry comes in.
I did the same thing when I was little (and still do) and that's why I wanted to be a Michelin Apprentice and I didn't need chemistry.
What I needed was an engineering, electrics and electronic knowledge.

I don't think that the manifestation of what he did as a kid matters, but the interest in how things work itself.

You don't need Chemistry to take "things" apart, but you would if you want to know how things work on a more fundamental level. Taking apart the fabric of the Universe itself must be the ultimate goal for someone I would imagine and Chemistry would be a natural beginning to that.
 
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You don't need Chemistry to take "things" apart, but you would if you want to know how things work on a more fundamental level.

He's already explained that taking things apart wasn't related to chemistry.
If taking things apart led to chemistry then I could say it led me to astro physics because everything is made of stardust.
 
He's already explained that taking things apart wasn't related to chemistry.
If taking things apart led to chemistry then I could say it led me to astro physics because everything is made of stardust.

Don't be so obtuse. What level of chemisty have you studied? Or physic or maths for that matter to be able to comment on those who study to degree level or beyond?

You seem to be picking apart someones reasoning for choosing what they wish because you don't understand the reasoning, the reasoning isnt for you to understand and if you wanted to ask questions you should have done it instead of ridicule how he made the connection.

But thats just my opinion on the matter, why dont you go back to bragging about a career in the NHS?

KaHn
 
He's already explained that taking things apart wasn't related to chemistry.
If taking things apart led to chemistry then I could say it led me to astro physics because everything is made of stardust.

He said the the act itself isn't related, but the need to know how things worked led him to take Chemistry.

It is a progression from taking apart a radio, to taking apart the DNA of mankind. The idea is the same, onky the tools are different. One needs a screwdriver, the other need Chemistry.

That is how I understood it anyway and yes the same etymology and progression of thought could be used in regard to Physics.
 
Have you checked that you've got sufficient academic results to become a doctor? I'm not asking whether you're capable of passing as I'm sure you are but if you don't have the entry requirements then that option probably isn't open to you and sometimes knowing what you can't do is as useful for focus as what you'd like to do.

I do. I'd need to pass the GAMSAT first, but there's nothing standing in the way if I decided to throw my weight behind the idea. I am however, only toying with the idea of retraining for medicine at the moment. In some respects it fits well, in many others it does not. Going back to university for a masters certainly seems the more realistic goalpost at the moment. If anything, this only shows my utter desperation because even I'm even starting to feel like I'm clutching at straws.

I'm not doing the job or career I thought I would - I just fell into it really, considering I have a background in IT and Engineering (Telecoms) it's a bit different to what I was doing! I don't see myself necessarily doing this for the rest of my life - to be honest I'm not that career minded. As long as I do well, work hard, and take pride in my work I'm happy with that, no matter what job I do.

I never had an idea or dream about a career or a type of job. In an ideal world I'd not have to work! :D Honestly, I'd be just as happy selling ice creams on a beach somewhere hot, as long as it gave me the opportunity to follow my hobbies and dreams - I'm not that bothered.

This is pretty much exactly how I am - or at least thought I was - until I realised that I also need the financial security and more importantly pride in what I do. I need a purpose that appeals to my inner framework on an intrinsically deep level. I need to feel like I'm utilising myself and doing something worthwhile. Sadly, that's a little harder to come by. This is one of the reasons why I keep coming back to the idea of writing. It is however, obviously not always a sensible career. For all my 'talent' and imagination, without 'luck' I could never strike any publication deal or ever make money from my endeavors. Thus, I'm stuck looking for something more sensible in the meanwhile. Locally, all that exists are terrible retails jobs or call-centre work, with lots of other work that I am not qualified to undertake. I'm tired of retail and I hate call-centre work with a seething passion.

I'm stuck working in the retail betting industry at the moment and it's eating me alive. There are no alternatives locally (I've looked and looked), which leaves only roles where I can perhaps relocate (e.g. graduate) - as truth me told I'm going to snap or become ill if I stay here any longer - however, I'm simply outmuscled on paper by other candidates and don't ever get anywhere.

I need to get back to university to improve this situation, but that will take me at least a couple of years to save up the money.

The immediate problem I face is that I'm struggling enough to cope with my life as I find it at present, let alone slog it out for two more years with no change. Even changing jobs to a higher paid one still leaves me stuck living where I do with zero social-life.

I'm ashamed of where I find myself and am frustrated that I can't effect any change. Little steps are moving me forwards (such as finally paying off my debts), but it's taking too long and it's a cost I'm not prepared to pay. I don't wish to look back in 20 years and wonder where my 20s went. Unless I do something now, that's my fate. To endure any longer (i.e. to save up funds for university) means sacrificing more of my 'prime', which I'm not willing to do. I don't just want to exist any more - I never did - I need and want to live. I can't live like a ghost any longer, it's torture.
 
Nix, I know ive taken the pee out of your degree choice and subsequent problems with finding a job but in my honest opinion you dont sound like you want a job, you seem to feed off peope who enjoy theirs and then think thats for you.

I know doctors/nurses and know that they wouldnt be suited doing anything else (well the good ones) as they are just so suited to the job. You come across (on here) as somones who is well educated but wants someone to pay them for nothing.

Sorry if thats wrong but thats how I see you.

KaHn
 
The immediate problem I face is that I'm struggling enough to cope with my life as I find it at present, let alone slog it out for two more years with no change. Even changing jobs to a higher paid one still leaves me stuck living where I do with zero social-life.
Get a flatshare and move to London already :p
 
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It was programming I was thinking of when I typed that :p

Well, each to their own, but for me it's pretty much a way of life.
If i wasn't doing it for my job I'd be doing it some other way.
For me the fact that I can be doing something similar, but yet very different is most of the appeal.

I'm a C# developer by trade and have been doing lots of stuff with reactive extensions at work, which is all cool and I've been learning lots of new stuff, but yet the fact that I can come home and do XNA (something I'm learning at the minute) is appealing. It's the same language and lots of the same concepts, but is something different to my day job and I still get a kick out of doing it outside of work.
 
I didn't, it just sort of happened. I've no idea how long I'll stay in this 'trade', but if it works out that this is what I end up doing for the rest of my life, I won't be heartbroken or anything.

I really ****ed up bad in my earlier years, and I've done ok considering. I should be fine in the long run. Hopefully...
 
I'm a C# developer by trade and have been doing lots of stuff with reactive extensions at work, which is all cool and I've been learning lots of new stuff, but yet the fact that I can come home and do XNA (something I'm learning at the minute) is appealing. It's the same language and lots of the same concepts, but is something different to my day job and I still get a kick out of doing it outside of work.
I remember seeing a rant about how considering yourself a "$LANG Developer" is like being a "Hammer Carpenter"

I'm sure you know plenty, so not having a go. Was just a quip that stuck with me :)
 
Don't be so obtuse. What level of chemisty have you studied? Or physic or maths for that matter to be able to comment on those who study to degree level or beyond?

You seem to be picking apart someones reasoning for choosing what they wish because you don't understand the reasoning, the reasoning isnt for you to understand and if you wanted to ask questions you should have done it instead of ridicule how he made the connection.

But thats just my opinion on the matter, why dont you go back to bragging about a career in the NHS?

KaHn

He's already admitted it was nothing to do with it so you're posting for nothing so you need to read the thread :D

Chemistry doesn't relate to those things,

What career in the NHS?
I certainly don't have one :confused: You have me mixed up with somebody else.
 
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I remember seeing a rant about how considering yourself a "$LANG Developer" is like being a "Hammer Carpenter"

I'm sure you know plenty, so not having a go. Was just a quip that stuck with me :)

Tbh that's how the job market sees you half the time. A Java developer as apposed to a software developer.
 
Nix, I know ive taken the pee out of your degree choice and subsequent problems with finding a job but in my honest opinion you dont sound like you want a job, you seem to feed off peope who enjoy theirs and then think thats for you.

I know doctors/nurses and know that they wouldnt be suited doing anything else (well the good ones) as they are just so suited to the job. You come across (on here) as somones who is well educated but wants someone to pay them for nothing.

Sorry if thats wrong but thats how I see you.

KaHn

No, I don't want to be paid for doing nothing. I spent a year unemployed doing nothing remember. It. Was. Hell.

You are obviously just a very different person and as such find it difficult to understand where I'm coming from.

Look, it's very simple: I'm not blessed with knowing what I want to do. I'm getting older. I know I've got a brain on my shoulders and I know I'm a good person. I naively hoped growing up that I'd inevitably fall into whatever it was I was 'supposed' to do with myself, but it was just that: naivity. I'm now desperately trying to work out what to do. I do feed off others because the reality is, I am really, very deeply unhappy with who and where I am at the moment. I don't even think you have ever stopped to consider this everytime you've thrown flak my way. I'm happy, truly, that things have worked out for you, but just because I haven't been blessed with your fortunes doesn't mean I'm lazy or not trying. I'm simply a very principled person, and finding a job that doesn't conflict with at least my major principles is very important. It is why, for example I opted out of joining the army.

We spend the majority of our adult lives at work. It is beyond important that we end up somewhere that either represents what we want to achieve in life, or helps facilitate happiness - and this doesn't mean just on a fiscal level - lest we look back on life and have regret.

I am desperate to do something with myself, but answering the telephone for a bank, taking bets, or even soldiering is simply not for me. It doesn't represent who I am or how I want to change the world towards my ideals, however small.

Just because you don't understand my conclusions, or motivations, don't automatically assume I'm worthless, lazy, or stupid. I find that highly offensive because I want nothing more than to achieve something tangible in life.

To sum up using a Guinness advert (of all things!): It is not what life brings to you, but what you bring to life.

I have a moral responsbility to shape the world towards my idea of a better place, no matter how inconsequential. Being lazy would be falling into an arbitary career, coasting 'comfortably' through life and never considering such imperetives.

My brain is wired differently to yours, we see things differently. There's nothing more to say. I appreciate the friendlier tone this time KaHn, but I'd appreciate it also if you stop trying to kick me when I'm down. It's unbecoming.
 
I have a moral responsbility to shape the world towards my idea of a better place, no matter how inconsequential. Being lazy would be falling into an arbitary career, coasting 'comfortably' through life and never considering such imperetives.
Perhaps one is purposely setting the physiological bar too high? ;)

Edit: Or am I misunderstanding things - are you currently not in work because it isn't sufficient with respect to your 'moral responsibility', or are you just resenting what you're doing right now?
 
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Perhaps one is purposely setting the physiological bar too high? ;)

Edit: Or am I misunderstanding things - are you currently not in work because it isn't sufficient with respect to your 'moral responsibility', or are you just resenting what you're doing right now?

I'm working in an industry that inherently conflicts with me, because, hey... I need to work.

I'm flexible, within reason.

I do resent my job, but it's for a number of reasons. The moral responsibility I suppose does come into play here though, as it is one of the reasons I'm so unhappy. I want to get out and do something, not be stuck behind a counter watching the world go by.
 
Sometimes Nix, we have to do things that seem distasteful or contrary to our sensibilities and beliefs.

I'm not saying that you should do something that is against your moral viewpoint, but we cannot always choose to only do what we feel is of most worth to either ourselves or the world at large.

Sometimes we have to realise that a job is a job, it doesn't need define us or be anything so noble.

It is how you conduct yourself and treat those around you that is really important.

In many ways that is the way in which you change the little piece of the world you can, not through your occupation, but through your everyday interactions.

You are still very young, there is time enough to change the world, right now you need to live for yourself, not everyone else.
 
Sometimes Nix, we have to do things that seem distasteful or contrary to our sensibilities and beliefs.

I'm not saying that you should do something that is against your moral viewpoint, but we cannot always choose to only do what we feel is of most worth to either ourselves or the world at large.

Sometimes we have to realise that a job is a job, it doesn't need define us or be anything so noble.

It is how you conduct yourself and treat those around you that is really important.

In many ways that is the way in which you change the little piece of the world you can, not through your occupation, but through your everyday interactions.

You are still very young, there is time enough to change the world, right now you need to live for yourself, not everyone else.

I appreciate that, I truly do. But I'm never going to be in a position to fulfill such ideals unless I start laying substantial cornerstones now. I'm not expecting to fall into the perfect job. I just need some direction to where or what that job is, because I can't take watching the world go by any more. Nor am I willing to whore myself within certain jobs, even if they do serve as 'short-cuts' to my goals. Coming out the other side with my integrity in tact is of extreme importance to me. Personally, I blame 80's cartoons.

I put up with my current job because it was a 'stop-gap'. I never had any intention of staying there, but I'm struggling to break free.
 
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I appreciate that, I truly do. But I'm never going to be in a position to fulfill such ideals unless I start laying substantial cornerstones now. I'm not expecting to fall into the perfect job. I just need some direction to where or what that job is, because I can't take watching the world go by any more. Nor am I willing to whore myself within certain jobs, even if they do serve as 'short-cuts' to my goals. Coming out the other side with my integrity in tact is of extreme importance to me. Personally, I blame 80's cartoons.

I put up with my current job because it was a 'stop-gap'. I never had any intention of staying there, but I'm struggling to break free.

Then it sounds like you need to do some serious decision making. Decide what it is you wish to do, specifically. Then decide how you intend to accomplish that, specifically.

You need to decide what areas of compromise you are willing to accept, and there will be some whatever you decide, and those that you really can't.

Once you have decided that, then you need to look at the practical aspects of achieving that aim and then simply taking that first step. Because once you have made that first step the rest gets progressively easier.

You sound pretty aimless at the moment and are in danger of meandering about and accomplishing nothing. It's time to make some pretty strict decisions if you are ever going to escape the rut you seem to have made for yourself. You are obviously an intelligent person with plenty of potential, use that potential and intellect, don't drown in it.

I wish you luck, I really do, just remember, its not what you do in life that is important, but how you do it.
 
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