How do you dispose of old coolant from loop?

[ttaskmaster]

This nonsense is getting ridiculous, it's a FOOD ADDITIVE. The entire reason companies like Mayhems, EK, etc make PC specific coolants is to provide a safe non toxic/dangerous alternative to the glycol based regular coolants PC water coolers used previously.

Wow, I didn't realise you were such an expert on sewage...

 

[ubersonic]

Wow, I didn't realise you were such an expert on sewage...

I'm not, hence not scaremongering.

You're effectively telling people it's wrong to flush their **** down the drain and they should take it to the tip instead lol.

@OP: It's safe, it was designed to be safe, don't worry about the fearmongers it's not going to hurt the planet.

 

[ttaskmaster]

I'm not, hence not scaremongering.

And yet when faced by the expert word from Sewage Engineers (as in proper Chartered Civil Engineer, not just some pump operative) who have advised on the matter, you claim to know better?
Yeah, OK...

@OP: It's safe, it was designed to be safe, don't worry about the fearmongers it's not going to hurt the planet.

OP - Listen to this guy, who by his own admission is not an expert, or listen to the people who are. Your call.

 

[ubersonic]

And yet when faced by the expert word from Sewage Engineers (as in proper Chartered Civil Engineer, not just some pump operative) who have advised on the matter, you claim to know better?

I don't know if you explained the situation to them incorrectly, if they just misunderstood, or if they are stupid.

But yes, I apparently do know better, because I know pouring non-toxic liquids down the drain which are safe to pour down the drain, isn't going to cause problems for the sewers/environment.

 

[Yaayuh!]

Down the drain as they aren't exactly toxic and the volume is low.

 

[ttaskmaster]

I don't know if you explained the situation to them incorrectly, if they just misunderstood, or if they are stupid.

I guess they're all stupid, then, having seen the photos of the container, noted the Zinc Oxide content and pulled out the documentation covering the legally permitted discharge levels...

But yes, I apparently do know better, because I know pouring non-toxic liquids down the drain which are safe to pour down the drain, isn't going to cause problems for the sewers/environment.

I hope to GOD you don't ever become a vet... You are clearly clueless as to the environment. Even small quantities of zinc oxide, deemed harmless to humans, can be lethal to a number of plants and animals around waterways.

 

[ubersonic]

I hope to GOD you don't ever become a vet... You are clearly clueless as to the environment.

Most food additives are safe for the environment hence why left over food and human waste can be put into the sewers.

Hell there's more zinc oxide in a plate of oysters than a 1L bottle of Mayhems lol.

 

[ttaskmaster]

Most food additives are safe for the environment hence why left over food and human waste can be put into the sewers.

Well, since 2003 the European Commission has classified zinc oxide as having a variety of genotoxic effects on wildlife and environment, with both acute and chronic hazards to aquatic life (H400 and H410 hazard codes), which is why there are restrictions on discharges into sewers and outfalls, why it is regulated under trade effluent laws and why there's so much concern over its use in sunscreen and cosmetic products... and why Mayhems themselves have told you not to dump this down the drain.

https://echa.europa.eu/substance-information/-/substanceinfo/100.013.839

So there ya go.

 

[darket]

Drink it , simples

 

[ubersonic]

Well, since 2003 the European Commission has classified zinc oxide as having a variety of genotoxic effects on wildlife and environment, with both acute and chronic hazards to aquatic life (H400 and H410 hazard codes), which is why there are restrictions on discharges into sewers and outfalls, why it is regulated under trade effluent laws and why there's so much concern over its use in sunscreen and cosmetic products...

Yes but we're not talking about barrels of the stuff we're talking about a harmless amount (less than 0.025% per litre). Scaremongering that you shouldn't put it down the drain because a significantly higher concentrate shouldn't go down the drain is like telling people not to put tap water down the drain because it contains fluoride! (also harmful in high concentrations).

 

[ttaskmaster]

Yes but we're not talking about barrels of the stuff we're talking about a harmless amount (less than 0.025% per litre). Scaremongering that you shouldn't put it down the drain because a significantly higher concentrate shouldn't go down the drain is like telling people not to put tap water down the drain because it contains fluoride! (also harmful in high concentrations).

Water company says not to put it down the drain.
EC says not to put it down the drain.
Industry standards say not to put it down the drain.
Mayhems themselves say not to put it down the drain.
Even the OCUK Elite say not to put it down the drain.

But Ubersonic knows better than everyone else - So feel free to dump it down the drain and when you get fined for ******* up the filter beds, just send the bill to him, yeah?

Now, where's that "scaremongering" Mayhems rep when you need him?

Drink it , simples

I won't be driving you to the hospital if you do... I'll be too busy laughing!!

 

[Deleted member 66701]

I dispose of the fluid however the label says to. On my Mayhems Pastel, it advises not to dispose of down the drain, so I don't.

 

[LePhuronn]

If I am gonna...??

Not sure if you're being sarcastic or not... but I do actually work for a water utilities company and a large sewage treatment works is indeed right next door....

I wasn't being sarcastic, I was being argumentative because I'd misread the tone of your post. Sorry about that. Good to have confirmation from the experts though.

 

[ttaskmaster]

I wasn't being sarcastic, I was being argumentative because I'd misread the tone of your post. Sorry about that.

No worries - Got me out the office for an hour!

 

[ubersonic]

Water company says not to put it down the drain.
EC says not to put it down the drain.
Industry standards say not to put it down the drain.
Mayhems themselves say not to put it down the drain.
Even the OCUK Elite say not to put it down the drain.

But Ubersonic knows better than everyone else - So feel free to dump it down the drain and when you get fined for ******* up the filter beds, just send the bill to him, yeah?

Jesus christ would you stop with the FUD, nobody is going to get fined over pouring something down the drain that is safe/legal/permissible/etc to pour down the damn drain.

Just because there are regulation/laws against pouring an entire barrel of Zinc Oxide down the drain does NOT mean that that it's not fine to pour a liquid containing <0.025% per litre of it in down the drain. Guess what? You're not allowed to pour a barrel of fluoride down the drain either, but tap water contains miniscule amounts of fluoride! Going by your scaremongering we should all plug our drains so none of the highly toxic tap water gets down there :O

Do you understand how stupid what you're saying is now?

 

[LePhuronn]

ubersonic, are you just looking to boost your post count now?

I'm among the first to question and flip the bird at the nanny state we find ourselves living in these days, but I'm genuinely curious as to why you're banging on about this. Everybody is saying don't pour Mayhems Pastel down the drain. So don't pour Mayhems Pastel down the drain. Surely end of discussion?

So, that's Mayhems Pastel covered, what other special coolant is there to consider?

 

[ubersonic]

I'm among the first to question and flip the bird at the nanny state we find ourselves living in these days, but I'm genuinely curious as to why you're banging on about this.

Well basically because people like you were giving the OP duff information so I was trying to clear things up.

*EDIT*

To be clear I wasn't saying your information was factually incorrect just contextually incorrect, if we were talking about chemical drums then obviously the OP shouldn't be pouring them down the drain, as even though it's used as a food additive ZO is dangerous in high concentrations just like pretty much everything is (hence my comparison to the flouride in tap water). But we're not talking about that, we're talking about a highly diluted amount of it making up part of a fluid which is safe/legal/permissible to pour down the drain (just like tap water).

 

[ttaskmaster]

Jesus christ would you stop with the FUD, nobody is going to get fined over pouring something down the drain that is safe/legal/permissible/etc to pour down the damn drain.

The point is that it's NOT permissible.
And yes, if the water companies catch you doing it, they WILL fine you... and yes, if it causes problems further down the line, we can trace it, as it's one of the very services my teams provide. A number of water companies recently got fined tens of millions for pollution incidents. They take this very seriously and if they catch customers doing it, they WILL fine them for it.

Just because there are regulation/laws against pouring an entire barrel of Zinc Oxide down the drain does NOT mean that that it's not fine to pour a liquid containing <0.025% per litre of it in down the drain.

Not even a barrel - 0.1% solution. That small a quantity can still see you fined, unless you have a trade effluent discharge consent.

Guess what? You're not allowed to pour a barrel of fluoride down the drain either, but tap water contains miniscule amounts of fluoride!

So all chemicals are the same, are they?
Ingest a 0.025% polonium solution, then and prove me wrong. It's highly diluted, you know...

Going by your scaremongering we should all plug our drains so none of the highly toxic tap water gets down there :O

Going by your sound reasoning, we can do whatever we like so long as there's people in authority telling us not to...

Do you understand how stupid what you're saying is now?

No - Do tell me more...

Well basically because people like you were giving the OP duff information so I was trying to clear things up.

Trying and failing...

But we're not talking about that, we're talking about a highly diluted amount of it making up part of a fluid which is safe/legal/permissible to pour down the drain (just like tap water).

PROVE IT.
Show me the legal proof that you're allowed to dispose of this down the drain... Because currently everyone else is saying otherwise.

 

[ubersonic]

Trying and failing...

/facepalm

Okay I will give it one last try then:

Barrel of Fluoride: Bad, don't pour it down the drain, it's harmful and you can get in trouble.
Barrel of Zinc Oxide: Bad, don't pour it down the drain, it's harmful and you can get in trouble.
Barrel of Phosphoric Acid: Bad, don't pour it down the drain, it's harmful and you can get in trouble.
Barrel of Formaldehyde: Bad, don't pour it down the drain, it's harmful and you can get in trouble.

Glass of tapwater: Fine, safe to pour it down the drain, it may contain a trace amounts of Fluoride but it's not going to harm the sewer.
Some white PC coolant: Fine, safe to pour it down the drain, it may contain a trace amounts of Zinc Oxide but it's not going to harm the sewer.
Glass of CocaCola: Fine, safe to pour it down the drain, it may contain a trace amounts of Phosphoric Acid but it's not going to harm the sewer.
Used Shampoo: Fine, safe to pour it down the drain (pretty hard to stop it in the shower also), it may contain a trace amounts of Formaldehyde but it's not going to harm the sewer.

And that my friend is the importance of context, instead of asking the sewer people you spoke to if something was good/bad you should have asked them if a trace amount of it used as an ingredient in a non-toxic liquid was bad (assuming you didn't ask that and get told the wrong answer).

 

[ttaskmaster]

/facepalm
Okay I will give it one last try then:

You mean you actually have no legal proof of your argument?
Okay then...

Some white PC coolant: Fine, safe to pour it down the drain, it may contain a trace amounts of Zinc Oxide but it's not going to harm the sewer.

It's NOT going to harm the sewer????!!!!!!!
Oh my GOD, why didn't you tell me this before, man??
I mean, here was me already saying just this very same thing, but if only you had said so yourself then maybe I would have properly understood what I was already saying my own self....!!

However, it is still harmful to the environment, as documented by all the previous postings, which is what I've been saying all along and the reason why the experts all say NOT to put it down the drain.
Do you understand this now?
Doesn't matter how small a quantity you put down there, it is verboten because it ***** up the environment.

And that my friend is the importance of context, instead of asking the sewer people you spoke to if something was good/bad you should have asked them if a trace amount of it used as an ingredient in a non-toxic liquid was bad (assuming you didn't ask that and get told the wrong answer).

I showed the "sewer people" EXACTLY what the product was, pointed out the label detailing volume and ZnO percentage and even took them to the website.
They know exactly what it is and they still said no, for the reasons already given.