Poll: How much do you think the AMD 5800X3D will cost at launch?

[Cyber-Mav]

5800x3d could be amds worse value for money cpu yet for am4 platform. Costing 50% more than the 5800x and giving 15% more speed which is not even guaranteed across the board in every app.
Zen3 has low reliability rate too. This chip from the sounds of it is even more fragile. I suspect there will be large rma's on it.

 

[q974739]

5800x3d could be amds worse value for money cpu yet for am4 platform. Costing 50% more than the 5800x and giving 15% more speed which is not even guaranteed across the board in every app.
Zen3 has low reliability rate too. This chip from the sounds of it is even more fragile. I suspect there will be large rma's on it.

Worse value for money? If it gives performance on par with the 12900 for 80% of the chip cost... that's really decent. For upgraders who would otherwise need a replacement motherboard, that's amazing.

It doesn't even have to beat the 12900ks. If it just matches it, that's all they need.

 

[Cyber-Mav]

will have to wait for benchmarks to see how this pans out. also 5700x kind of makes the 5800x pointless too.

 

[Alan McFall]

will have to wait for benchmarks to see how this pans out. also 5700x kind of makes the 5800x pointless too.

Pointless ? 200mhz.. thats a monumental leap.. if we were back in '98.

 

[LePhuronn]

It can. It is why when the 5900X launched AMD said it was the best gaming CPU. They also used to call it 'gamecache' when Zen 2 launched with the 3900X.

You still have to bounce across the IO die though, which has a bigger latency penalty than 32+64MiB stacked on a single chiplet.

 

[muon]

You still have to bounce across the IO die though, which has a bigger latency penalty than 32+64MiB stacked on a single chiplet.

Not sure we know how different that really is yet.

 

[LePhuronn]

Not sure we know how different that really is yet.

Apart from the average 15% uplift in cache-benefitting workloads like gaming?

I don't think specific numbers were given but the AMD promo video discussing the 3D stacking and why they decided on the 5800X3D does say the latency penalty for stacked cache is less than bouncing across the IO die.

 

[muon]

Apart from the average 15% uplift in cache-benefitting workloads like gaming?

I don't think specific numbers were given but the AMD promo video discussing the 3D stacking and why they decided on the 5800X3D does say the latency penalty for stacked cache is less than bouncing across the IO die.

You mean 'up to' 15%, not average. Average will be lucky to be even half that.

https://www.amd.com/en/press-releas...aming-processor-brings-enthusiast-performance

• AMD announces pricing and availability for AMD Ryzen 7 5800X3D processor delivering up to 15% more gaming performance with ground-breaking AMD V-Cache technology

 

[LePhuronn]

AMD are saying "up to" now? They've certainly changed their wording since the Computex demo, haven't they.

 

[Miganto]

And it's been confirmed that it won't support overclocking

https://videocardz.com/newz/its-official-amd-ryzen-7-5800x3d-does-not-support-overclocking

 

[storm-chaser]

And it's been confirmed that it won't support overclocking

https://videocardz.com/newz/its-official-amd-ryzen-7-5800x3d-does-not-support-overclocking

What is AMD thinking? You know if they actually manufactured chips that the overclocking community could take advantage of they would be in much better standing.

I think they are desperate to bring to market something to compete with the IPC king, the 12900K, but obviously having nothing really "on par" with that piece at the moment.

 

[Twinz]

What is AMD thinking? You know if they actually manufactured chips that the overclocking community could take advantage of they would be in much better standing.

I think they are desperate to bring to market something to compete with the IPC king, the 12900K, but obviously having nothing really "on par" with that piece at the moment.

While it does appear that this vcache experiment isn't working as well as they hoped at this point, they are still using the "fastest gaming CPU" language. -So they mey yet get something to hang their hat on, even if they can't claim to be the fastest at everything with a single part they way they could before AL.

I hope AMD and Intel continue fighting for supremacy. We are already benefiting from it.

 

[Miganto]

What is AMD thinking? You know if they actually manufactured chips that the overclocking community could take advantage of they would be in much better standing.

I think they are desperate to bring to market something to compete with the IPC king, the 12900K, but obviously having nothing really "on par" with that piece at the moment.

I agree, i think when this was first mentioned, its gains over what was around were so great it didn't need to OC, but then the 12900K has come out and it's not so much of a gain but they didn't have something in their back pocket

 

[humbug]

What is AMD thinking? You know if they actually manufactured chips that the overclocking community could take advantage of they would be in much better standing.

I think they are desperate to bring to market something to compete with the IPC king, the 12900K, but obviously having nothing really "on par" with that piece at the moment.

I get why they are locking voltages down if the 3D Cache doesn't like higher volts.

But that's not a reason to deny people access to the curve optimiser and boost override, if you're not using that, if you're trying to overclock a 5800X by pumping more volts in to it you need to have said CPU confiscated and subsequently banned from future ownership anyway. And no refunds, because you're being silly

 

[storm-chaser]

I hope AMD and Intel continue fighting for supremacy. We are already benefiting from it.

Agreed. I think competition between vendors is a primary driver of better technology. We all benefit from that, some sooner, some later.

And no refunds, because you're being silly

Hey now! If I only pick up .2ns in processing time from overclocking, it's still win and far from silly!

 

[HangTime]

Official video from AMD, https://youtu.be/cDMfPSRBxFw

Most interesting thing in their update was official Zen3 support on 300 series mobos.

 

[Grim5]

Most interesting thing in their update was official Zen3 support on 300 series mobos.

its a commercial decision

At first they said no to 300 series, to make people buy new motherboard. Now AM4 is at its end and they want to clear inventory so they cut cpu price and they make it compatible on 300 series boards

 

[HangTime]

Could well be, still the most interesting news. Maybe I'll look at 5700G to replace my 1600.

 

[Pleiades]

Maybe I'll look at 5700G to replace my 1600.

Exactly what I'm going to do...

I'm guessing there's no chance of a 5800/5900G ever appearing.

 

[Twinz]

Worse value for money? If it gives performance on par with the 12900 for 80% of the chip cost... that's really decent. For upgraders who would otherwise need a replacement motherboard, that's amazing.

It doesn't even have to beat the 12900ks. If it just matches it, that's all they need.

12900k is the "no compromises" chip AMD used to brag that the 5950X was. It's currently the fastest gaming CPU *and* It offers top tier productivity performance. (Power consumption is arguably a compromise, but not performance)

Still, if it can take the gaming crown, at least AMD will be offering something for the added premium over the 5800X.