There is of course the fact that without the alcohol he could well die.
Of course a rehab place which slowly weans him off it would probbably be better..
How much of a beating can a liver take?
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There is of course the fact that without the alcohol he could well die.
Of course a rehab place which slowly weans him off it would probbably be better..
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It's true alcohol is one of the worse things to withdraw from.
The government must be giving him about ~£1500 a month in total. I think that would be better spent on some sort of forced rehabilitation. We have had him sectioned a few times but they take him into hospital, dry him out for a week or two then kick him out. He just goes back on the drink instantly.
They would rather throw money at him until he dies of organ failure than spend money on rehabilitation. It's a pity. Oh well.
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That's stupid, you'd think rather than give him money to feed his addiction they would save themseleves money (probably would save a lot) and try and help him with proper detox. Once it's properly removed from his system it's his sobar choice to drink or not.
But as with all addictions you can only stop if you want to stop.
What a frigged up world, eh?
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It's not just a case of getting him sober, it's getting him sober while treating him to inhibit his nervous system then keeping him sober long enough for his body to get back to doing it for it's self.
Other wise he's going to drink again because his body needs it.
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The point I was making was throwing money at him isn't doing anything. That money could be used to help him properly, keep him on track, etc
There was one of these "street doctor" programmes on the TV a while ago and there were testing peoples liver density with some kind of light emitting device and were coming up a numerical factor that would indicate just how screwed peoples livers were.
It seemed that a number of young people who thought that their drinking was not harming them were actually showing alarming levels of liver damage and some were showing levels that indicated permanent damage that would shorten their lives.
It seemed that a number of young people who thought that their drinking was not harming them were actually showing alarming levels of liver damage and some were showing levels that indicated permanent damage that would shorten their lives.
I've seen some who drink 2 bottles a day.
There are several "myths" here. Yes, tolerance can only go so far. Tolerance in this case is neuronal tolerance for blood ethanol concentration (brain).
Dont also forget that your kidneys are also able to excrete ethanol, since it is water soluble, and isnt actively re-absorbed by the distal/collecting tubules, and is peed out.
So, what happens in alcoholics is that they run a very high ethanol level, which their brain can survive but not yours, and that is excreted both by the liver and kidneys, over the course of the day. So while it might not kill them, it would almost certainly kill you. Different peoples brain have different tolerances, which we see in different peoples ability to "hold their drink".
After a while, their liver gets more and more "pickled". So their ethanol metabolism goes down. But their kidney excretion will increase as it is linked to blood ethanol concentration (which is going up), but it wont be able to keep up. As with all things, there is a limit to how high it can go before your brain cant take it. So after awhile, you see alcoholics alcohol intake DROP, because they get well drunk after a small amount, largely due to the fact they cannot metabolize much of it. By then they are usually a tinge of yellow, with gross ascites, have deranged clotting, oesophageal varices.... etc...
one of the most common causes of emergency admissions for alcoholics
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What a sad existence getting drunk out of your skull every friday :/
I seriously doubt your doing yourself much good.
I seriously doubt your doing yourself much good.
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It's not every night and i certainly don't need to do it. But i like to go down the pub and socialize with all my mates, just happens that by the end of the night I've normally racked up 8 pints. Better than sitting at home playing pc games (which is my other option) if you ask me.
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That could be an option i suppose. But why do I want less? Its not having any immediate effects on my health. I'm just as unfit now as I was before I started to drink.
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Oh I agree socialising is great. I'm just not a big drinker - I just don't "get" the getting drunk for the sake of getting drunk thing.
I'm teetotal at the moment anyway (have been for 7 months) so it's probably not the fairest of opinions anyway.I'm not trying to be a spoilsport, but even if it's not having an immediate effect on your health, don't you ever think about long term issues? It's a bit myopic of you not to IMO.
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Don't get me wrong, there is not a chance in hell i would consider carrying this on once I'm out of formal education. You see people go through uni and go on the slosh every Friday and come out fine. I was just wondering how much a liver really could take before irreversible effects started to take place.
As said there is no set time or set amount over time, varies from person to person. You could have 2 blokes at 18 start drinking the same amounts at the same time over 10 years, after that 1 might be fine the other might have sciroccis, they might both be fine. You cant answer it really, my dad had been a heavyish lager drinker all his life and is now in his 60's and is still going strong. The only effect I can see is his short term memory isnt as good but if thats drink related or not I dont know. Im similar and would say quite a heavy lager drinker but will never drink every night.
My liver was replaced years ago by a small albanian kid to sort through the alcohol. The liver was just slowing me down 
Let me put it this way, i've been drinking since I was 15, went to the pub a lot from the age of 16, did a hell of a lot of hard drugs from 16-19 then very occasionally after that. Been drinking every since near every night in the pub, and getting drunk on weekends. Oh and lots of smoking, and lots of bad food. I'm 27 now, nearly 28 *shudder*.
Your liver aint made of glass, mines probably ****ed though to be fair.
Let me put it this way, i've been drinking since I was 15, went to the pub a lot from the age of 16, did a hell of a lot of hard drugs from 16-19 then very occasionally after that. Been drinking every since near every night in the pub, and getting drunk on weekends. Oh and lots of smoking, and lots of bad food. I'm 27 now, nearly 28 *shudder*.
Your liver aint made of glass, mines probably ****ed though to be fair.
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When I was at uni I admit I did go out and have a few, but I never threw up owing to alcohol and never had much more than a bit of a bad hangover, in fact the most damage I did to my body was probably eating dodgy food afterwards!
however everyone is different, and may react differently. Your body may be fine but at the same time may have an inherent weakness which may give way at any time - you just don't know. By all means go out and have fun, but don't overly abuse your body or take the ****. Your liver can regenerate and is tough but there's only so much abuse it can take - you may be accelerating that process... whether your liver is tough or not doesn't mean it should or is meant to take that sort of abuse. Things wear and weaken over time. It's not just your liver though, your kidneys are part of that process, and heck you're whole digestion system, even your heart.
Have fun, but don't abuse yourself - I don't want to have to pay for your transplant
