How Nvidia Won and AMD Lost the GPU War

[bru]

Yup unfortunately its the best card you

Since you mentioned Apple, don't forget that all Apple Macs have exclusively AMD GPU also over the last few years
(25 million sold in 2017 alone).

Except for all the ones that don't of course.

 

[Bazzards]

Nvidia have not won a thing, not with the current card prices.

 

[nashathedog]

Incidentally, I'm finally back

I've been getting the not secure message on this site, and the shop one, since qtr 8 last night, so couldn't load em, but weirdly, same time tonight, they started working again

That is good.. my dastardly plan is working.

 

[DarrenM343]

The price argument is moot, Nvidia would love to have the console contract too, don't kid yourself. It's worth more than just the dollar value. Once both companies decided to go SOC, Nvidia were out of the running.

https://www.forbes.com/sites/patric...ns-microsoft-and-sony-chose-amd-for-consoles/

Interesting article, it makes sense though why AMD got the contracts. I guess it's difficult to know the real truths. It would have been another income stream for NV if it had worked out, after all, $10 per item is still a decent amount when something sells in the millions of units

 

[Panos]

Interesting article, it makes sense though why AMD got the contracts. I guess it's difficult to know the real truths. It would have been another income stream for NV if it had worked out, after all, $10 per item is still a decent amount when something sells in the millions of units

NV supplied consoles with their GPU but didn't followed the strict specifications resulting to issues by the thousand. (360 anyone?)
Same applied to Apple products, especially with the 8400 almost affecting the significant majority of the macbooks.

 

[DarrenM343]

NV supplied consoles with their GPU but didn't followed the strict specifications resulting to issues by the thousand. (360 anyone?)
Same applied to Apple products, especially with the 8400 almost affecting the significant majority of the macbooks.

There was an issue in the Dell XPS 1330 laptops, I remember that. Luckily mine was fine but think the GPU's were overheating and failing. In fairness not sure whose fault that was, there was plenty of talk around the time including the thermal pads used being rubbish and faulty nvidia chipsets. I remember a new BIOS having to be used before installing the later GPU drivers. Some years ago, heck, 2008 in fact. Actually, yes, it was the 8400M problem

 

[spoffle]

NV supplied consoles with their GPU but didn't followed the strict specifications resulting to issues by the thousand. (360 anyone?)
Same applied to Apple products, especially with the 8400 almost affecting the significant majority of the macbooks.

Nvidia only made GPUs for the PS3, and now the Switch. They really didn't get a look in when it came to the PS4 and Xbox One. Their public display of cognitive dissonance after the announcement shows that as well.

 

[spoffle]

There was an issue in the Dell XPS 1330 laptops, I remember that. Luckily mine was fine but think the GPU's were overheating and failing. In fairness not sure whose fault that was, there was plenty of talk around the time including the thermal pads used being rubbish and faulty nvidia chipsets. I remember a new BIOS having to be used before installing the later GPU drivers. Some years ago, heck, 2008 in fact. Actually, yes, it was the 8400M problem

It was nVidia's fault. This issue caused problems with a lot of laptops across a lot of different manufacturers.

 

[Nasher]

The real reason NVidia are ramping up the price of GPU's is that the lower end of the market has evaporated, APU's are good enough now that you don't need a dedicated GPU for the average consumer. So this leaves NVidia, who cannot compete with APU's as they don't have a CPU license, with only the mid to high end in which to make money. It's also the reason that they were the first to diversify, a fail of AMD here not to do similar sooner, into things like AI/DL/cars.

The 2080 and 2080Ti won't be sold for too long, nothing like as long as the 1080's for sure, there isn't any reason for any rational person to upgrade from a 1080 to a 2080. There is no games that use ray-tracing out yet, and ray-tracing in games won't be viable until the next generation AT LEAST! The frame rate hit is too massive, hence the heavy usage of de-noising to clean up the images. AMD could have capitalised this time round but they are not even in the fight this time round which is a shame, but even when AMD/ATi had the fastest card they were still outsold by NVidia because of their dodgy tactics.

The vast majority still spend under £300 on a GPU. There is where most of the market is. APUs can't beat the mid range GPUs

A tiny percentage buy the top tear cards compared to the 1060s etc. That was last gen, it will be even less this time. They have priced themselves out of the market for 99% of gamers.

 

[AMDPower]

he makes some very good videos but the tittle of this video does not really match to the contents of the video. He just provided a GPU rivalry history lesson between AMD and Nvidia. The problem is that he the war is not really over is it? AMD are still making GPU and up until last generation AMD was not much further behind in terms of performance. Vega 64 matches the 1080 and they has a competing video at every segment of the market and also both Sony and Microsoft and Apple continue to buy AMD GPU/CPU at the very least they kept the company afloat.

Next year should be hopefully, very good for AMD with new CPU and possibly a competing GPU. They don't really need to beat the 2080TI but a card that can sit in between the 2080 and 2080TI would be very good at the right price. If they can get this level of performance with a smaller die size and undercut nvidia they will sell like crazy. Everyone is just tired of Nvidia pricing like everyone is tired of Intel pricing, they just need the right product, performance and price just like Ryezen cpu.

they already have a template so lets hope they can make it a reality. We really need AMD to be competitive on both GPU and CPU because we have seen the consequences of both Nvidia and Intel dominating CPU and GPU markets. I guarantee you in a few years time top spec GPU will be priced £2000 and 8 core cpu would cost £1000 without AMD in the market.

 

[LoadsaMoney]

That is good.. my dastardly plan is working.

 

[gpuerrilla]

If £1200 GPU is called victory, then those who lost are the consumers not AMD.

Agree, I didnt mind saving in the early '00s for a GPU that was between £150-200 and then it was mid range or better. Nowadays having to spend over £500 to play games on glory settings is not something that should be the norm.

I did buy a console in June after I had a serious injury which kept me off work so had a few weeks to kill sitting around the house. Sad to say you get way more performance from the games that are running off weak hardware, if the games wernt so expensive and offered mouse/keyboard for titles out of the box I dont think I would miss the PC (for gaming).

 

[Panos]

Agree, I didnt mind saving in the early '00s for a GPU that was between £150-200 and then it was mid range or better. Nowadays having to spend over £500 to play games on glory settings is not something that should be the norm.

I did buy a console in June after I had a serious injury which kept me off work so had a few weeks to kill sitting around the house. Sad to say you get way more performance from the games that are running off weak hardware, if the games wernt so expensive and offered mouse/keyboard for titles out of the box I dont think I would miss the PC (for gaming).

Only WOT, EU4, CK2, HOI4 playing on PC currently. And from time to time TESO.
All my "new" bought games are on XBX now.

Look here, thats XBX 4K!!!!!! With Freesync TV or the Phillips 43" 4K HDR1000 Freesync monitor, looks amazing and smooth.

And this HDR

 

[nashathedog]

The 2080 and 2080Ti won't be sold for too long, nothing like as long as the 1080's for sure, there isn't any reason for any rational person to upgrade from a 1080 to a 2080. There is no games that use ray-tracing out yet, and ray-tracing in games won't be viable until the next generation AT LEAST! The frame rate hit is too massive, hence the heavy usage of de-noising to clean up the images. AMD could have capitalised this time round but they are not even in the fight this time round which is a shame, but even when AMD/ATi had the fastest card they were still outsold by NVidia because of their dodgy tactics.

I don't see how AMD aren't even in the fight? The 580 has started to pull ahead of the 1060 a lot of the time, The same can be said for the Vega's when compared to the 1070, 1070ti & 1080, As for the new Ray tracing cards Nvidia have priced them beyond what the majority of PC gamers can spend on them, I look at the Vega 64's and they're cheaper than the 2070's. they perform just as well and let's not forget that at the moment every AMD card from the 570 up comes with three games so you can knock another £50 of the price of the card if you sell them rather than keep them. Yes AMD haven't got the high end gpu's covered but they're offering extremely compelling products at every level from the 1080/2070 point down which is where the most sales are.

 

[gpuerrilla]

/stuff

I played GOW on the PS4 and was blown away with the graphics. If I get a modern HDR/4k screen in the future which is likely because the current telly is over 4 yrs old these types of games are the bomb visually running off a 470/80. Im generally not a fan of console gaming but with limited time you cannot compete - at least that is dedicated graphics isnt exactly winning me over wanting an arm and a leg spiralling upwards over the years.

 

[Martini1991]

NV supplied consoles with their GPU but didn't followed the strict specifications resulting to issues by the thousand. (360 anyone?)
Same applied to Apple products, especially with the 8400 almost affecting the significant majority of the macbooks.

Not sure how the Xbox 360 issues have anything to do with Nvidia when it was an ATI/AMD GPU.

 

[Panos]

Not sure how the Xbox 360 issues have anything to do with Nvidia when it was an ATI/AMD GPU.

My mistake, was the PS3 ...

 

[Martini1991]

My mistake, was the PS3 ...

Microsoft didn't set aside 1BN for repairs for the PS3.

 

[Nasher]

they already have a template so lets hope they can make it a reality. We really need AMD to be competitive on both GPU and CPU because we have seen the consequences of both Nvidia and Intel dominating CPU and GPU markets. I guarantee you in a few years time top spec GPU will be priced £2000 and 8 core cpu would cost £1000 without AMD in the market.

If the prices keep going up and there are no cheaper alternatives, all that will happen is PC gaming dies and people switch to consoles. Then Nvidia has no customers. They have backed themselves in to a corner now in pursuit of a fast buck.

What could happen over the next few years is current cards hold their value and people simply don't upgrade because it costs to much, so everything stagnates (even more than it has already). Widespread ray-tracing support is a fantasy if this happens.

 

[Panos]

they already have a template so lets hope they can make it a reality. We really need AMD to be competitive on both GPU and CPU because we have seen the consequences of both Nvidia and Intel dominating CPU and GPU markets. I guarantee you in a few years time top spec GPU will be priced £2000 and 8 core cpu would cost £1000 without AMD in the market.

Mate, AMD has competitive CPUs & GPUs. That Nvidia & Intel are charging what ever they want isn't AMD problem but those who in this very forum, follow NV & Intel like a religion.
Especially Intel which completely ignored that there is competition not only on the maintream but on the HEDT platform.

Anyone who tries to write some logical argument, is straight away branded as AMD fanboy and should be ignored.
So cough up your money, because that mentality you and I, pay now.

When you have those who justify the current pricing, what you expect? They will sell at those prices and next round going to be more expensive regardless of what AMD has to offer.

Didn't you see the arguments here? "more perf should be paid for". Though if you point at them following their comments these increases had applied the last 10 years, today the GPUs could cost £26,000 and the CPUs £17,000 completely ignored brushing under the carpet their own words.