How to find out if a property is ex-council?

Jez · 31 Jan 2007 at 21:17

Rob43 said:
Jez, you wan't to answer this point ?

No i dont, i havent ever given the cost of council tax a thought.

Whats this got to do with anything though?

Puzzled · 31 Jan 2007 at 21:17

Jez has made a fair point.

Why should someone be given a home at discount rates just because they want to start a family?

I know that having a family is bloody expensive and as such won't even think about it til I know I can afford it. Why should it be different for anyone else?

PeterNem · 31 Jan 2007 at 21:18

$loth said:
Can you please show me how many are actually continuously claiming benefits yet fit to work?

I cannot give you figures but even from a very small sample of the population (people who I had the misfortune of going to school with) I know that it is done.

Rob43 · 31 Jan 2007 at 21:19

Jez said:
No i dont, i havent ever given the cost of council tax a thought.

Whats this got to do with anything though?

Well you pointed out that you never claimed anything from the goverment,so that was the question

Jez · 31 Jan 2007 at 21:21

Rob43 said:
Well you pointed out that you never claimed anything from the goverment,so that was the question

Even if i did, it would not be claiming anything from the government. As it is not money out of their pocket. It is a reduction based on single occupancy. This is completely fair enough, if the other occupants live elsewhere they will be more than offsetting this by paying council tax wherever they are.

alexakasloth · 31 Jan 2007 at 21:21

Denying people the chance to have a family, go you.

MonkeyMan, if you did want to start a family then you could try and get a council house.

Jez said:
Even if i did, it would not be claiming. As it is not money out of their pocket.

Neither is renting council housing :confused:

The rent is more than enough to cover maintenance of the house.

Jez · 31 Jan 2007 at 21:23

$loth said:
Denying people the chance to have a family, go you.

At my expense, yes. Absolutely. They should get their own lives in order before creating more of themselves.

Rob43 · 31 Jan 2007 at 21:24

I was'nt given a council home because i started a family,this is generalising every council tenant in this country.

20 years ago,i would have got a council house,family or no family

Jez · 31 Jan 2007 at 21:24

$loth said:
Neither is renting council housing The rent is more than enough to cover maintenance of the house.

Oh come on. We have been over this 15 times already.

Jez · 31 Jan 2007 at 21:26

Rob43 said:
I was'nt given a council home because i started a family,this is generalising every council tenant in this country.

20 years ago,i would have got a council house,family or no family

I dont know about the historical state of things, i have only been an adult tax payer for a few years and thus only have interest in the current state of things. I do have to wonder why they would give a council house to a single person though, anyone on £6ph can rent a private flat :confused:

alexakasloth · 31 Jan 2007 at 21:26

Jez said:
At my expense, yes. Absolutely. They should get their own lives in order before creating more of themselves.

What expense? Sure the government could get a bit more from the property, but inflow of cash into the system is certainly not the problem with this country.

Your view of this is just plain greed.

alexakasloth · 31 Jan 2007 at 21:27

Jez said:
I do have to wonder why they would give a council house to a single person though, anyone on £6ph can rent a private flat

We have been over this 15 times before.

Puzzled · 31 Jan 2007 at 21:29

$loth said:
MonkeyMan, if you did want to start a family then you could try and get a council house.

I don't understand that mentality, why should I be given a house because I want a family?

If I can't even afford a roof over my head, then how can I support a child? I recognise that and know that if I want kids it will have to wait till it's financially viable.

I don't expect handouts, and don't see why anyone should.

Jez · 31 Jan 2007 at 21:29

$loth said:
What expense? Sure the government could get a bit more from the property, but inflow of cash into the system is certainly not the problemt with this country.

I have no interest in politics, but any way you look at it claiming benefits of any kind including claiming reduced tenancy rates via the council housing scheme, IS a drain on council resources, which could be better used elsewhere. Council's finances are stretched at best.

If nothing else it would potentially mean a drop in taxes for the people that have made their own way in life. Either way i dont think giving people handouts is fair.

Jez · 31 Jan 2007 at 21:31

$loth said:
Your view of this is just plain greed.

Its greed to want to keep more of MY OWN MONEY and not have to subsidise people who cannot afford to support their families?

If thats greed then yes, i am guilty. I worked for my money, i want to keep it.

As Monkeyman says, i dont expect handouts, why should anyone else

alexakasloth · 31 Jan 2007 at 21:31

Well then we'll just have to leave it at that, I don't see it as a drain on society.

And Noxis, incase you missed it, Raymond Lin answered your question in reply 28.

Jez · 31 Jan 2007 at 21:33

$loth said:
Well then we'll just have to leave it at that, I don't see it as a drain on society.

You mean that you infact have nothing left to argue, and you can see that the extra influx of cash if it were not for people claiming handouts, would go a long way to helping council budget shortfalls and potentially reducing tax for the rest of us?

alexakasloth · 31 Jan 2007 at 21:36

Jez said:
You mean that you infact have nothing left to argue, and you can see that the extra influx of cash if it were not for people claiming handouts, would go a long way to helping council budget shortfalls and potentially reducing tax for the rest of us?

The money from council housing goes to the council, the money from your rent does not, so actually, the council tenants are giving more to the government than you.

Jez · 31 Jan 2007 at 21:37

$loth said:
The money from council housing goes to the council, the money from your rent does not, so actually, the council tenants are giving more to the government than you.

The council can rent the property at market value though, or sell the property off. This money would go to the council, would it not?

alexakasloth · 31 Jan 2007 at 21:39

You think that people would pay market value for council housing? Not to mention council housing is becoming smaller and smaller, the council are already selling it off to housing associations etc.