That's exactly what I mean. The MSI's offer exactly the same variance for overclocking as any other card. You get some good, some bad and some average. However, MSI boast about tripple voltage control, improves military components (must be Bristish military), 45% overclocking etc, yet in reality they offer no more headroom than a bog standard reference card. My £160 Powercolor runs stable at >1300MHz. It comes in a bog standard box which doesn't hint at or promise anything. My £200 MSI Mutton Edition promissed superior components and overclocking, get tops out at 1125MHz. The fact that MSI have used very low quality ASIC''s within my car are a very clear indication that they are all marketing and no substance. They should not proclaim their card as the best when they stick any old random GPU on it.