How would pay per mile car tax work?

neocon · 15 Dec 2020 at 21:32

In reality how would this be likely implemented?

Black box in every car?

Cameras on smart motorways?

Nevakonaza · 15 Dec 2020 at 21:42

Id imagine the government will force it upon car manufacturers as a requirement for an item such as the black box you mentioned to be fitted as standard to be able to be sold in the UK.

Personally, i think its a stupid idea, and i don't even drive,
What about those that live in more rural areas so have no choice BUT to drive their kids to school,Drive to work etc.

neocon · 15 Dec 2020 at 21:43

Nevakonaza said:
Id imagine the government will force it upon car manufacturers as a requirement for an item such as the black box to be fitted as standard to be able to be sold in the UK.

Wouldn't that make used cars very valuable?

Nevakonaza · 15 Dec 2020 at 21:46

neocon said:
Wouldn't that make used cars very valuable?

Our government will squeeze every penny they can,it would be made mandatory every car has to have one.

Nasher · 15 Dec 2020 at 22:46

GPS tracker, which everyone immediately un-plugs or wraps in tin foil. Except at MOT time

It would be impossible to enforce because it relies on something being in the car, which you can easily hack. They can't put ANPR on every single road.

Chris1712 · 15 Dec 2020 at 22:51

Just put it on fuel...

Nasher · 15 Dec 2020 at 22:53

Chris1712 said:
Just put it on fuel...

They already do. Like 90% of the fuel cost..

koooowweeee · 15 Dec 2020 at 22:53

I think it should be added to fuel.

So if you drive more you pay more. If your car is parked up all the time, you shouldn't have to pay as much tax

[TW]Fox · 15 Dec 2020 at 22:59

Ask New Zealand, they already do this.

theone8181 · 16 Dec 2020 at 06:23

Fuel would be the easiest and simplest way to manage it. An extra 10p a litre would cover it, they'd actually make more than they currently do if they did that.

p1RATE · 16 Dec 2020 at 07:13

Chris1712 said:
Just put it on fuel...

The whole point of the suggested per mile tax is because of falling fuel revenues and the switch to electric on new cars.

I guess the next best thing, put it on tyres?

jpaul · 16 Dec 2020 at 07:41

orient it towards the mileage carbon cost, per linked discussion doc,
so, set number of free miles per year checked at mot , then can purchase/trade further carbon credits

jpaul said:
I liked the idea of a personal tradeable road/carbon budget which could include planes too.

Nasher · 16 Dec 2020 at 10:08

New EVs have a huge carbon footprint. Maybe they should put it on that.

The whole point in this is to claw back lost tax money from people switching to EVs, so they are not going to escape tax in future.

neocon · 16 Dec 2020 at 12:47

Imagine if it was a telematics box and it logged every time you broke the speed limit, not much fun.

robj20 · 16 Dec 2020 at 12:50

neocon said:
Imagine if it was a telematics box and it logged every time you broke the speed limit, not much fun.

Driving on the road isn't supposed to be fun, that's what track days are for.

Diddums · 16 Dec 2020 at 12:53

[TW]Fox said:
Ask New Zealand, they already do this.

They tried it in South Africa too, where you pay to use the motorways. Installed fancy cameras and all, then people protested and didn't pay, so they issued fines, which remain unpaid to this day. The amount outstanding is in the billions of rands but not a single citizen is paying. Even companies have told the gov to jack it in, I think the only people who pay it are car hire firms

Diddums · 16 Dec 2020 at 12:54

robj20 said:
Driving on the road isn't supposed to be fun, that's what track days are for.

Neither is procreation but I'm pretty sure I could make a night with Margot Robbie rather entertaining.

Nasher · 16 Dec 2020 at 13:16

Diddums said:
They tried it in South Africa too, where you pay to use the motorways. Installed fancy cameras and all, then people protested and didn't pay, so they issued fines, which remain unpaid to this day. The amount outstanding is in the billions of rands but not a single citizen is paying. Even companies have told the gov to jack it in, I think the only people who pay it are car hire firms

If only people were like that here the councils wouldn't be able to take the **** so much :/

robj20 said:
Driving on the road isn't supposed to be fun, that's what track days are for.

What's the point in living if it isn't fun.

Track days are really expensive once you have paid for everything.

neocon · 16 Dec 2020 at 16:17

robj20 said:
Driving on the road isn't supposed to be fun, that's what track days are for.

Maybe not in central London or the M25.

On empty B roads on a Sunday though...

OllyM · 16 Dec 2020 at 16:25

Nasher said:
GPS tracker, which everyone immediately un-plugs or wraps in tin foil. Except at MOT time

It would be impossible to enforce because it relies on something being in the car, which you can easily hack. They can't put ANPR on every single road.

Nasher when electricity meters were introduced... "Meter, which everybody immediately bypasses. Except when the electricity company comes round."

Thankfully most of the population doesn't think like you.