HS2/High Speed 2 - Will it happen?

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Paying more tax is one thing, i won't argue with that. But we apparently live in nation that values its Union, which means more wealthy parts better bloody well sacrifice for the betterment of the whole. As usually you end up with a slow creep of hatred brewing, that has ultimately stuck a massive knife into London's growth.
 
West to east is needed far more than HS2, and increasing capacity is often as simple as adding more carriages to the train, the glasgow to manchester transpennine express has 4 carriages and is packed like sardines which is absurd when 8 carriage trains go down the same lines at the same speed!
 
Energize said:
West to east is needed far more than HS2, and increasing capacity is often as simple as adding more carriages to the train, the glasgow to manchester transpennine express has 4 carriages and is packed like sardines which is absurd when 8 carriage trains go down the same lines at the same speed!
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does the 4 carrige version stop at the smaller stations though? where an 8+ carriage one would be longer than the platform/block other station workings? (some small stations seem to have switches etc quite close to the end of the platforms)

so not a problem for a bigtrain passing thorugh at speed but a stopped train loading would be an issue.
 
All the money spent on hs2 by the time completed. Hyperloop will be available and much much cheaper. More importantly much faster.

I think we should wait for hyperloop
 
Tefal said:
does the 4 carrige version stop at the smaller stations though? where an 8+ carriage one would be longer than the platform/block other station workings? (some small stations seem to have switches etc quite close to the end of the platforms)

so not a problem for a bigtrain passing thorugh at speed but a stopped train loading would be an issue.
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The journey time is the same so I assume so. If I get the Lancaster to Manchester Piccadilly it's 57 mins direct, 4 carriages, but the Manchester Piccadilly to Lancaster trains in the evening are 6 or more carriages and have the same journey time. I actually think transpemnine express do it on purposes so you need to get a 1st class ticket to get a seat.
 
Jono said:
I was going to post this thread last week, but got distracted. There was some goon on the radio saying how it was all on time and in budget... but how?
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Probably because the last 3 years or so have been spent buying up land and property along the proposed route. Then consultations, planning, tenders etc.

HS2 has been rumbling away in the background for a few years now. I know they have purchased property and land well north of the starting point ready for when the project finally gets there.
 
Just to add to this we've been speaking to HS2 now for several years as they are interested in approx 50% of my dads farming land.
The discussions have been for lack of a better word utterly inept, different people coming along to discuss land that we don't own because they don't know who owns what despite us showing the deeds and the information being taken away over and over again.
They want to rent the land for the next 15 years then hand it back to my dad once finished he's 74...
We can't serve a blight notice as the land is currently being used as rented farming land so currently my dads only option is to start farming again to justify a blight notice.
 
wesley said:
All the money spent on hs2 by the time completed. Hyperloop will be available and much much cheaper. More importantly much faster.

I think we should wait for hyperloop
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Yeah what's not to like about travelling at near supersonic speeds in a near vacuum... There's still more questions about Hyperloop's feasibility than anyone has answers for, and "because Musk" isn't really going to cut it
 
Phase 2a and 2b will probably add more value - it's a shame they're not starting with that.

I go up to Leeds a fair bit as I do to Manchester - if I could save an hour or thereabouts travelling there I'd love it. i'd far rather use the train than have to go to an airport and take the plane despite it being quicker overall. I find trains more convenient and comfortable generally.
 
BuffetSlayer said:
Probably because the last 3 years or so have been spent buying up land and property along the proposed route. Then consultations, planning, tenders etc.
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Would be funny if they failed to get the planning/consult/etc and ended up lumbered with loads of unwanted buildings, as has happened in the past derailing (no pun intended) large scale projects XD
 
ubersonic said:
Would be funny if they failed to get the planning/consult/etc and ended up lumbered with loads of unwanted buildings, as has happened in the past derailing (no pun intended) large scale projects XD
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That's fine, it will all be classed as brownfield and sold of at 1/4 the price paid to local developers to build housing on with no infrastructure to support the new population.
 
If the government threw this kind of money at the cancer in our midst - the ICE - then we'd be able to have a plan of action that would give us some major advantages rather than a ludicrously unambitious target of 2040.
 
Lots of people didn't want A roads to be built, the original railway to be built, same for the motorways. Our generation now find those very useful for travelling.

The HS2 is just an additional and faster way to travel. Come 20 years after its all fully built when we're all dead or old people we will see the young generations using it so casually like we do with the railways/motorways now and they will look back at how slow the railways are/were and will want them scrapped or replaced with even better/faster tech than the HS2 trains.

Personally I don't think its fast enough. A train may take you 60 minutes to get somewhere, the HS2 will drop that time to "only" 40 minutes. Yet that is saving the economy money - how? Just so someone can stay in bed for another 20 minutes / have an additional 40 minutes per day social time?

Financially I'm all for the HS2 just because me living in Birmingham city centre it'll increase the value of my apartment lol, just in time for when I might want to sell up and move back to my home town with lots of profit.
 
Evosparki said:
Financially I'm all for the HS2 just because me living in Birmingham city centre it'll increase the value of my apartment lol, just in time for when I might want to sell up and move back to my home town with lots of profit.
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Which is kind of why everybody I have spoken to "Oop North" hates the idea of HS2 with a vengeance.

London house prices will head north, and the vast majority of the local population will end up worse off as a result.

(See also, Grokkle holiday home owners in Cornwall etc...)
 
With all this money going on HS2, and the newly publicised ban on petrol/diesel cars from 2040, it seems odd that they cancelled all plans to electrify the rest of the network. Ie the south west, etc.

Would be hilarious if we're all using leccy cars but the trains are still diesel.
 
Our "infrastructure tzar" has said HS2 needs another £43 billion, on top of the current £56 billion construction cost, to make it worthwhile...

Ministers must spend an extra £43 billion to make the construction of High Speed 2 worthwhile, the Government’s infrastructure tsar suggests today.

Sir John Armitt, the chairman of the National Infrastructure Commission, says the sum, which would double the amount attributed to the high speed line five years ago, is needed to “make the most” of the railway line.

Writing in The Sunday Telegraph, Sir John, in his first intervention on the project, which is officially costed at £56 billion, warns that passengers of the service face “inadequate” transport links at either end of their journeys.
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https://www.telegraph.co.uk/politic...bn-make-worthwhile-government-infrastructure/

The rest of the article is unfortunately behind a pay wall
 
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