Huge reductions in foreign student numbers

[Avenged7Fold]

https://www.theguardian.com/educati...national-student-visa-tougher-rules?CMP=fb_gu

So the media rumour mill has quoted aims at reducing foreign student numbers from 300,000 down to 170,000 at least. This goes alongside what was said at the conservative conference in October and was dressed up as targeting less suitable students despite all of them adhering to pretty strict standard to be granted visa, either financially if self funded or academically if not. Scary stuff!

• An applicant was deemed not to be genuine because he did not know the university library opening times.

• Another was excluded for not knowing the name of the vice-chancellor at his university – a test many would-be domestic students would certainly fail.

• One applicant was refused a visa for “falling below the amount specified in a bank account by a couple of pounds on one day out of the 90-day period, even though his parents had huge funds and their accounts were also submitted”.

I studied and worked in the sciences, where we HEAVILY rely on foreign students to not just fund our work and course but participate in the research that we slap our British University label on and benefit from the worldwide prestige it gives.

Foreign students pay silly money to be here and it is not an exaggeration to say they subsidise the costs for other students and also spend local area just being there. They pay their way so much so that we are not 'running out of places' but rather they fund universities enough to allow these courses to take so many local applicants at our reduced costs.

I am confident in saying that British Physics research would certainly be a considerable notch lower on the belt if we had followed such anti-foreign student policy all these years.

What benefits will we achieve with moves like these?

 

[UTmaniac]

I believe there is at least one university where there is a major enquiry going on behind foreign students enrolling on courses and promptly disappear off the grid. My source tells me university staff management heads are likely to roll when the scale of it all comes out.

Edit: This might be completely unrelated to article linked by OP.

 

[Avenged7Fold]

The staff heads will roll but the foreign students will pay the price, things like that is what leads to theses stupid political moves.

We are so reliant on foreign students both in a financial sense, a research sense and educational (as many stay on to teach here while they pursue research).

Your mention on foreign students 'disappearing' is the fault of the university staff which do not follow admission rules for some corrupt reason or another.

 

[scorza]

In the UK Independence thread: "Non-EU migration is under our control"...
In this thread; moans when the government exercises that control.

 

[Hotwired]

Lolwut,

Foreign students come here with sacks of money because it costs so dam much. What kind of genius would want to limit these kinds of people.

 

[Avenged7Fold]

I am moaning about a decline in university funds, quality and quality of research as a result of the hard on for 'control'.

Foreign students pay far more than local students. It is these 500 per year business management courses which cost nothing to run yet are cash cows for universities which fund the expensive stuff.

 

[StriderX]

This was mostly because of bad tory policy than brexit, they've been attacking students since the start.

 

[Kemik]

I've never understood restricting outside of EU/student numbers to hit immigration targets. You can't control immigration while within the EU, and while within the EU you are effectively discriminating against non-EU workers.

Restricting student numbers will mean a massive impact on Universities' income and therefore decrease in quality.

 

[Schlong&Stable]

Lolwut,

Foreign students come here with sacks of money because it costs so dam much. What kind of genius would want to limit these kinds of people.

People who don't want the tuition costs pushed up, or for native Britons to lose university places to make space for foreigners?

 

[Avenged7Fold]

People who don't want the tuition costs pushed up, or for native Britons to lose university places to make space for foreigners?

Foreigners subsidies local student costs by paying far more than what they actually cost. Please dont tell me these business management courses cost universities tens of thousands per year per foreign student in tuition + the insane amount of other fees.

These costs are what the university uses to expand courses and make space for the locals who DONT pay as much.

 

[Diddums]

Yeah but immigrants innit. They take jobs and rape ppls. Nothing else.

 

[FrenchTart]

People who don't want the tuition costs pushed up, or for native Britons to lose university places to make space for foreigners?

Domestic and foreign students have entirely different quotas and foreign students pay ~3x the amount in fees. As has already been said, foreign students essentially subsidise domestic students.

I've no idea where you got your information from but it is wrong.

 

[StriderX]

Just jack up the loans/fees to £15000~20000 like in the US and watch the tears flow. We'll have to anyway, as I doubt the likes of India will just allow that to continue in a free trade arrangement.

 

[FrenchTart]

Just jack up the loans/fees to £15000~20000 like in the US and watch the tears flow.

Foreign student fees are already above that, at least at the institution I work at.

Sadly domestic student fees are edging close to that already too :/

 

[bayo000]

e: nvm, please delete

 

[Diddums]

Domestic and foreign students have entirely different quotas and foreign students pay ~3x the amount in fees. As has already been said, foreign students essentially subsidise domestic students.

I've no idea where you got your information from but it is wrong.

Yeah but that's logic, facts and information. It's a hell of a lot easier to resort to blaming immigrants for the lack of educational places or high fees as is frequently evidenced here in GD. These peoples' minds don't seem to be capable of going beyond whatever train of thought the Daily Mail stuff into their heads every day, agenda dependant ofc.

 

[StriderX]

Yeah but that's logic, facts and information. It's a hell of a lot easier to resort to blaming immigrants for the lack of educational places or high fees as is frequently evidenced here in GD. These peoples' minds don't seem to be capable of going beyond whatever train of thought the Daily Mail stuff into their heads every day, agenda dependant ofc.

Because it's easier than blaming government who changes every term and "your" party will definitely fix it... No-one wants to though, May would rather do this grammar **** than to actually do anything objective.

 

[Dj_Jestar]

Foreign students bring in ~£10bn to our universities, with large numbers of them remaining in the country post-education to continue their high skilled careers, paying taxes and NI and on the whole.. bloody well contributing to our country.

Domestic students are prioritised over foreign students already.

The newspaper title should be prefixed with: "Another way to screw over the country:"

 

[Diddums]

Because it's easier than blaming government who changes every term and "your" party will definitely fix it... No-one wants to though, May would rather do this grammar **** than to actually do anything objective.

Exactly, and look where we are now.

 

[peterwalkley]

I'm a Tory voter, but this is a poo for brains policy.

Even if its a "pointless" degree subject, foreign students are net contributors to the economy: spending on tuition fees, rent, bills, food and general living here. Mostly young and hence very small outlay to the NHS and other public services. This is a big foreign currency earner for us and also a big element of 'soft power'. While they are here, they are learning british culture and british values (good and bad !).

When the daily fail was whinging about it, the correct government response should have been stfu you racist ****.