Huge reductions in foreign student numbers

[Avenged7Fold]

I know for a fact the current UK infrastructure, health care, schools and logistics are at breaking point.

Wealthy foreign students come here and train as medical professionals teachers and researchers, some leave but many stay. They give the university the money to be able to take in so many local students with tuition fees.

This is not a discussion about brexit, it is a discussion about foreign students not migrants in general. In that regard they benefit us in almost very area in the long term and certainly financially in the short term.

The same old crap about unsustainable population does not apply when they pay their own and are not just comparatively small in number to the population but are well educated and often in subjects we are in need of and struggle to fill.

Busy roads are hardly the fault of foreign students. They are likely to be the adult demographic with among the lowest proportion of drivers to non drivers.

 

[bayo000]

It took me 40 minutes at mid day to get my missus 3 miles down the ****ing road for a works pick up point.

See, that to me means people are doing well. Just a shame government doesn't improve the infrastructure so people can enjoy their cars.

How many of these foreign students do you think can actually afford a car? Or even have a need for one.

 

[Dis86]

So you expect me to walk my 10 year old daughter 1.5miles to a dance lesson and me to walk 1.5miles back and then another 1.5miles there and another 1.5miles back with my daughter.

So my daughter will have had a 2+ hours dance lesson and also had to walk 3 miles and I have had to walk 6 miles.

I don't do lazy m8 am practical.

So first off the distance has increased by fifty percent. So lazy and can't do maths!
Secondly I'd say it's a pretty good opportunity to spend some time with her.
Thirdly...not exactly great distances, heck you could even stay and watch her!

 

[Tunney]

Doctors 2 week wait for an appointment.
Dentist appointment 3 months+.

I know for a fact the current UK infrastructure, health care, schools and logistics are at breaking point.

The people of Britain voted for a party that had austerity (i.e. reducing funding to public services) as a manifesto pledge. It takes you two weeks to see a doctor because people don't want to fund the NHS properly.

Don't blame migrants, blame the people of Britain!

 

[Avenged7Fold]

How many of this foreign students do you think can actually afford a car? Or even have a need for one.

A considerable portion of students live within walking distance and a great deal of foreign students are normally housed close by in dedicated international student accommodation from what i have seen.

I imagine the effect of international students on traffic is relatively unnoticable

It takes you two weeks to see a doctor because people don't want to fund the NHS properly.

Also due to a lack of doctors in the public sector. Luckily we have foreign students coming to study and eventually work here in those sort of fields. If we removed locally trained foreigners from my local hospital, it would probably cease to operate and would either need to magic up more staff or close.

 

[itchy]

So first off the distance has increased by fifty percent. So lazy and can't do maths!
Secondly I'd say it's a pretty good opportunity to spend some time with her.
Thirdly...not exactly great distances, heck you could even stay and watch her!

I Google earthed the walk and its 1.49 miles if you want to be pedantic.

Also you are not allowed to watch as its training.

You expect me to walk 6 miles 3 times a week and my daughter walk 3 miles 3 times a week.

Go swivel and don't go making sweeping statements on issues or circumstances you don't understand.

 

[Dis86]

I Google earthed the walk and its 1.49 miles if you want to be pedantic.

Also you are not allowed to watch as its training.

You expect me to walk 6 miles 3 times a week and my daughter walk 3 miles 3 times a week.

Go swivel and don't go making sweeping statements on issues or circumstances you don't understand.

I wouldn't say 50 percent is pedantic. It's a huge difference for one as idle as yourself!

And yes. Then there'd be less traffic on the roads and people like you wouldn't complain about the traffic people like you are generating. See the logic?

 

[itchy]

I wouldn't say 50 percent is pedantic. It's a huge difference for one as idle as yourself!

And yes. Then there'd be less traffic on the roads and people like you wouldn't complain about the traffic people like you are generating. See the logic?

I take it you live in a parallel universe where time is not an issue.

Time is the key you see, everything you do takes time and I need stuff done ASAP as I am a busy person and time costs money.

 

[scorza]

The people of Britain voted for a party that had austerity (i.e. reducing funding to public services) as a manifesto pledge. It takes you two weeks to see a doctor because people don't want to fund the NHS properly.

Don't blame migrants, blame the people of Britain!

Why can't we blame* both?

*I don't really mean blame, but sure as **** be **** more people means more pressure on public services like the NHS. That's a fact, not fake news.

 

[Dis86]

I take it you live in a parallel universe where time is not an issue.

Time is the key you see everything you do takes time and I need stuff done ASAP as I am a busy person and time costs money.

Average walking pace is 4mph. Therefore it wouldn't take you much longer to walk than it does to drive (50 percent is insignificant remember). Also I have access to mobile communications so can work whilst on the move. Now you can't do that whilst driving as that's illegal. You can whilst walking so actually you stand to profit in terms of time spent available to work.
More time spent with your daughter. More exercise.

Win. Win. Win.

Could go one better and run. I can do a mile and a half in about eight minutes so even quicker than you driving and I'm not particularly quick!

 

[Diddums]

1.5 miles? How much does your girl weigh? Pretty sure a trebuchet could cover that.

 

[itchy]

Average walking pace is 4mph. Therefore it wouldn't take you much longer to walk than it does to drive (50 percent is insignificant remember). Also I have access to mobile communications so can work whilst on the move. Now you can't do that whilst driving as that's illegal. You can whilst walking so actually you stand to profit in terms of time spent available to work.
More time spent with your daughter. More exercise.

Win. Win. Win.

The average human walking pace is 3.1miles per hour.

I said just over a mile as I was rounding down for fluidic conversational purposes.

3.1mph to walk 1.5miles = 28 minutes
my return journey would be 28 minutes.

Total 56 minutes.

I can do it in the car in 28 minutes max.

Not sure where you get your logic.

But on topic....

Everything is busting at the seems and someone needs to get control, otherwise we going to hell in a hand cart.

 

[jas72]

I've never understood restricting outside of EU/student numbers to hit immigration targets. You can't control immigration while within the EU, and while within the EU you are effectively discriminating against non-EU workers.

Restricting student numbers will mean a massive impact on Universities' income and therefore decrease in quality.

People from EU should never be on the immigrants list its like america saying some one from California is an immigrant in New York.

 

[Avenged7Fold]

Why can't we blame* both?

*I don't really mean blame, but sure as **** be **** more people means more pressure on public services like the NHS. That's a fact, not fake news.

We are talking of students not migrants in general.

As its been said these students often stay to work here and fill roles for which we desperately need such as doctors, hence why we have a significant number of UK trained foreign doctors.

Reduce the foreign students and we will reduce the number to stay here as doctors, that will put MORE pressure on the NHS and that us a fact.

The fact is, these students not only fill the roles we are in desperate need of but pay their way as well as the way of many of the locals. We cant afford to carry on as we are but we can afford to go without them even less.

But on topic....

Everything is busting at the seems and someone needs to get control, otherwise we going to hell in a hand cart.

Everything is busting but it is certainly not the fault of the international students and as it seems, they seem to be what is keeping a lot of it going. The universities certainly would not be able to run without them and our research teams would certainly take a huge hit.

 

[Dis86]

The average human walking pace is 3.1miles per hour.

I said just over a mile as I was rounding down for fluidic conversational purposes.

3.1mph to walk 1.5miles = 28 minutes
my return journey would be 28 minutes.

Total 56 minutes.

I can do it in the car in 28 minutes max.

Not sure where you get your logic.

But on topic....

Everything is busting at the seems and someone needs to get control, otherwise we going to hell in a hand cart.

I get my info from the bhf.

https://www.bhf.org.uk/get-involved/events/training-zone/walking-training-zone/walking-faqs

Like I said, work on that fitness and you can run it. More time for those precious £ and you also wouldn't have to pay for fuel or wear on the car!

 

[Dis86]

We are talking of students not migrants in general.

As its been said these students often stay to work here and fill roles for which we desperately need such as doctors, hence why we have a significant number of UK trained foreign doctors.

Reduce the foreign students and we will reduce the number to stay here as doctors, that will put MORE pressure on the NHS and that us a fact.

The fact is, these students not only fill the roles we are in desperate need of but pay their way as well as the way of many of the locals. We cant afford to carry on as we are but we can afford to go without them even less.

The doctor point is a curious.one...when I was accepted on a medicine course they were all full. In fact over subscribed. I know two people who have studied it since and it was the same for them. Therefore surely it's logical to assume people are unable to get on the course. Some of whom at least won't be immigrants or temporary visitors so is there not a distinct possibility that we could make up the numbers with British students? Heck I know several people who would happily retrain but it's financially not feasible.

 

[Avenged7Fold]

Doctor courses are by far among the most expensive to teach and that is why places are limited. Foreign students pay these fees out of their own pocket, so they are not stealing anyone's places. 2014/15 fees for example were up to 36,600 per year on medical courses for foreign tuition. Hell that is practically the annual income of some junior doctors!

 

[Dis86]

Doctor courses are by far among the most expensive to teach and that is why places are limited. Foreign students pay these fees out of their own pocket, so they are not stealing anyone's places. 2014/15 fees for example were up to 36,600 per year on medical courses for foreign tuition

So hold on...you're saying we need them cos not enough British students are available but now concede all available spaces are filled? Cost is irrelevant here, the funds that the NHS has to pay for agency doctors far outweigh the 20k per annum fee difference between UK and international students.

 

[Bassmansam]

Average walking pace is 4mph. Therefore it wouldn't take you much longer to walk than it does to drive (50 percent is insignificant remember). Also I have access to mobile communications so can work whilst on the move. Now you can't do that whilst driving as that's illegal. You can whilst walking so actually you stand to profit in terms of time spent available to work.
More time spent with your daughter. More exercise.

Win. Win. Win.

Could go one better and run. I can do a mile and a half in about eight minutes so even quicker than you driving and I'm not particularly quick!

You can work while walking?

 

[itchy]

Like I said, work on that fitness and you can run it. More time for those precious £ and you also wouldn't have to pay for fuel or wear on the car!