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Human Rights: Single mums might not be sent to prison

Discussion in 'General Discussion' started by FoxEye, Jun 18, 2019.

  1. Freakbro

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    Or you could actually read what's being discussed and see it relates to single parent families, so it 'should' be applied equally (as much as anything is) whether the single parent is male or female. It's just framed this way as 90% of single parents are female.
     
  2. Hades

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    Or yes I could do that. Oops :D
     
  3. Freakbro

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    No worries :p

    I edited my post to add that I expect it just gets framed this way as "mother" because 90% of single parents are female. Now if the proposal wasn't applied equally to single fathers then yes, that would be time to start complaining about it!
     
  4. billysielu

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    Fake news. Nothing has changed.
     
  5. The_Abyss

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    By all means continue to perpetuate the common falsehood that mothers are the default carers, and thus get back to the nub of the topic of this discussion.
     
  6. The_Abyss

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    I raised my child as the non-custodial parent with custody two days are week. By your definition I was not a single parent. By your definition there cannot be two single parents raising a child. You're just perpetuating the bias that you're attempting to argue against by positing this thread.
     
  7. wesimmo

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    I think you're right about my misinterpreting the meaning when I first read it.

    However I disagree about the interpretation of the whole subject being necessarily about women being treated better than men as a result simply as a result of their sex.
     
  8. Terminal_Boy

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    The original feminists wouldn’t recognise their movement today.
     
  9. Freakbro

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    And tbh, this case has got nothing to do with feminism anyway, it's more to do with child services.

    It's just like some posters accuse everything of being racist, other accuse everything of being feminist.
     
  10. mmj_uk

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    Women get more leniant sentences for sex with minors even if they have no children. Whatever the cause equality between the sexes which is what feminism was originally about has definitely gone out of the window. The justice system should be blind to factors such as the defendants sex and who's going to take care of their kids that's for other people to deal with, you do the crime you do the time. Otherwise, the message you're sending is that if you have dependents you can get away with crime, which only encourages crime and which begs the question would that be a good upbringing for children.
     
  11. Sutters

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    We don't actually have a conservative government in power.
     
  12. El Pew

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    He lives at home with his mum, therefore he stands to benefit from this.
     
  13. The_Abyss

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    Does he though? It seems unlikely, unless he's demonstrably dependent upon his mother which he would not be unless under 18, or older with a physical or mental illness requiring a threshold of case. He works, so it doesn't seem likely unless I've missed something here? How is he going to benefit from a sentencing bias to be more lenient to mothers?
     
  14. chrcoluk

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    Given this already affects the social security system, as well as the very generous maternity leave laws, this is not surprising t all in my view.

    We headed in a direction where the well been off children is considered more important that the correct treatment of adults.

    However with that said judges have very likely always taken children into consideration anyway when dealing with sentences. This kind of just makes it official.
     
  15. El Pew

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    It was semi in-jest. He's like 40 or something, but he does live in his parent's basement.
     
  16. The_Abyss

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    Right, but I don't think that's relevant.
     
  17. El Pew

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    Funny is always relevant. Also, the way he asked for help developing his career before he decided to ignore all of the advice provided and instead just keep posting outrage threads like this one, rather than make his life better.
     
  18. The_Abyss

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    Funny is also subjective :p

    At least this thread had some opinion in it rather than the usual RSS feed garbage that we get from two or three repeat offenders.
     
  19. [FnG]magnolia

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    Are we looking to make the woman's life more miserable or the child's? I can't provide my spicy hot take on this topic until I know who we're blaming and desperately trying to punish.

    e: I'm not saying El Pew is right (I am, he is) but I'm also not saying Cornwall furry (but it seems I also did do this, so not very good at this game, am I?). I liked his spectacles opinion thread, that was actually a good one.
     
  20. String

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    It's the Richard Littlejohn style of spelling the subject matter phonetically, and in the process completely belittle the intended target before the reader has had a chance to consider a word of the detail.

    As for the actual subject; I can understand why they are considering the effects the incarceration of a parent would have on a child. The criminal justice system isn't an absolute, it should evolve with society and those professional people who run the system are probably best placed to make these decisions.