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One assumes they rolled it back in order to open the doors and treat the injured party. Plus search the car.
"Hundreds" of Met Police armed response officers hand in the weapons after colleague charged with murder - Chris Kaba Shooting aftermath.
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My comment wasn't very useful or particularly fair so I do retract it.
Doesn't seem like discharging your weapon while chasing a potentially armed drug dealer in a car chase would on the face of it seem like a wholly inappropriate situation, given a car is 100% a deadly weapon. A murder charge seems outrageous.
Should a police officer be standing in front of 2 tonnes of vehicle, does seem to me a rather poor choice.
So how did the policeman get out of the car to shoot him? from the aerial shot the damage to Tesla is next to the open police car door.
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Are we now advocating for the routine arming of coppers despite the repeatedly saying they don’t want to be and the fact most AFO’s will never discharge a weapon in the line of duty?
Motorcyclist killed in central London police-chase crash
The man failed to stop for officers then crashed into a taxi and a bin early on Monday morning.www.bbc.co.uk
Oh dear what a pity. A motorcyclist being followed by the police died when his bike was in collision with a taxi and a bin. The passenger had non life threatening injuries and was arrested on being found in possession of a machete. Urban gardeners? This is why we need police officers armed with more than a baton.
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I’m loving the repeated use of the weight of the vehicle! Does the officer need to know the weight of the vehicle before deciding to shoot the driver dead or us it just more hating on SUV drivers!
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Not sure if you're familiar with the term "road block", but it usually involves "blocking" the "road"
Soldato
That’s a very reductive argument and you know it.
The bar for a murder verdict in these situations is incredibly high and the fact it is being investigated suggests there is more to this than we know. Nevertheless, if a police officer acts according to their training and operational guidelines then they shouldn’t be afraid of investigation.
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Probably went something like
Police attempt to block the road
CK stops, possibly further back from where its positioned in the aerial pic
Police exit the car and order him to comply, weapons drawn
CK thinks nah and accelerates
Gets shot by the officer standing between police car and tesla
Q8 gets rolled back, possibly to treat CK/search the car as mentioned further up
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Basically he didn't watch Chris Rocks "How not to get your ass kicked by the police."
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Nothing like some idle speculation to fill the time, the CPS will have a better picture of what happened and if they have moved to press charges in a ridiculous situation they will rightly be mauled by the media. You have to trust the process until it fails and so far in this case the right process has been followed. If the CPS lack the evidence to back up a miser charge the officer will walk as convincing a Jury he is guilty beyond reasonable doubt is going to be a very tall order as his defence will likely rely heavily on the fact he reasonably thought his life of that of others was in imminent danger at which point he is allowed to discharge his weapon.
Clearly, as do many police officers. My post explained that.
Irrelevant, Letby's prosecution largely rested on massive amounts of circumstantial evidence for events which spanned years, which is clearly not the case here.
What does "special" mean? You've said it twice but failed to elaborate, other than to ramble about a comic book.
I can't answer this until I know what level warning I'm on.
All you need to do is look at this persons criminal and extremely violent background to know that he probably wasn’t one for stopping for the police and was exceptionally likely to be armed and quite happy to use said armaments. It’s a story as old as time and sadly one that afflicts a specific area of our society in an entirely disproportionate manner.
I can completely understand why so many officers have handed in their fire arms. It’s not worth the hassle.
I can completely understand why so many officers have handed in their fire arms. It’s not worth the hassle.
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So police officers, who spend months or even years investigating other people, are upset when months or even years are spent investigating them ? OK, but they don't want special treatment ?
it is relevant, 6 years from investigation to conviction for a high profile murder case.
OK better example Dalian Atkinson was murdered in 2016, the Police officer was charged in 2019 and convicted in 2021. You might be ignorant of the time the justice system takes, but police officers certainly aren't it's just more crying from them about how, yes, they are special, and the normal rules and process shouldn't apply to them. because of their fragile mental health.
Yeah, his back story goes very much against the narrative his family put out there.
Gangster of peace etc etc
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Based in media reports I don't think they'd identified him as such so not relevant to individual treatment of him at the time, but it's still relevant for the purposes of speculating how he might have acted during the police stop (e.g. whether or not it's believable that he tried to ram past the police car).
The police will have been prepared for violence in any case though due to the car's link to firearms offences.
E: His criminal history (if true) does make a bit of a mockery of all the good words about him from friends and family though, and the portrayal in some news articles as simply a father to be caught up in a police blunder...
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Yes indeed - the vehicle was known to the police previously for fire arms offences. So obviously the police approached the vehicle expecting the very worst.
Most decent members of society would never put themselves in that situation but you know, he was a wonderful human being and an absolute benefit to society and no doubt a victim of racism. Or something.
Oh yea, the firearms flag on the car is why they would have been twitchy and why armed police were there in the first place, just pointing out the fallacy of the restropective justification some people seem to be putting forward due to his previous history, when it wouldn't have been known.
I mean, a car failing to stop and actively trying to get away isn't that uncommon (I've watched police interceptors
) and generally doesn't end up with with someone being shot!