Hungarian Grand Prix 2010, Hungaroring Circuit - Race 12/19

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Hungaroring, 30 July - 1 August

Friday 30 July
Practice one: 0855-1035, BBC Red Button/online
Practice two: 1255-1435, BBC Red Button/online

Saturday 31 July
Practice three: 0955-1105, BBC Red Button/online
Qualifying: 1210-1430, BBC One/online and BBC Radio 5 live sport extra/online

Sunday 1 August
Race: 1210-1515, BBC One/online and BBC Radio 5 live/online


Standings:

Track:

Track Diagram

Circuit information

Length: 4.381km
Race distance: 70 laps / 306.663km

Full throttle: 58%
Top speed: 291kph
Longest flat-out section: 11s / 750m
Right/left-hand turns: 8/6

Tyre wear: Medium/high
Brake wear: High
Downforce level: Very high
Gear changes per lap: 50

Strategy

Average fuel use per lap: 2.172kg (source: Williams)
Pit stop time loss: 20.5s

2010 tyres: Medium (prime, no stripe) and Super-Soft (option, green stripe)
2009 tyres: Soft (prime, no stripe) and Super-Soft (option, green stripe)


Hungary preview quotes - Ferrari, Force India, HRT, Mercedes GP & more
Hot on the heels of Hockenheim, the teams head straight to Budapest for this weekend’s Hungarian Grand Prix, the last race before the Formula One community takes a well-earned summer break. Drivers and senior team personnel discuss their prospects for the Hungaroring…


German - Team Preview
Bridgestone
Cosworth

McLaren
Sauber
Mercedes
Ferrari Not uploaded yet
Red Bull Not uploaded yet
Williams
Renault Not uploaded yet
Force India
Toro Rosso
Lotus Not uploaded yet
Hispania
Virgin Not uploaded yet


Classic F1

Classic F1 - Hungarian Grand Prix 1990
Short highlights of the 1990 Hungarian Grand Prix, in which Belgium's Thierry Boutsen drives an immaculate race in his Williams to hold off Ayrton Senna, Alessandro Nannini and Nigel Mansell to take his third and final F1 victory.

Classic F1 - Hungarian Grand Prix 1992
Watch short highlights of the 1992 Hungarian Grand Prix won by McLaren's Ayrton Senna, as Nigel Mansell finishes second to secure his first and only F1 world championship.

Classic F1 - Hungarian Grand Prix 1998
Watch short highlights of the 1998 Hungarian Grand Prix, where Ferrari's Michael Schumacher drives a superb race following a switch in strategy to overhaul the McLarens of Mika Hakkinen and David Coulthard.

Classic F1 - Hungarian Grand Prix 2007
Watch short highlights of the 2007 Hungarian Grand Prix, where McLaren's Lewis Hamilton takes his third Grand Prix victory after fending off the Ferrari of eventual world champion Kimi Raikkonen.

Classic F1 - Hungarian Grand Prix 2009 - Hamilton's first win of the season
Lewis Hamilton reminds everyone he is the reigning F1 world champion, claiming his first win of the 2009 season in the much-improved McLaren at the Hungarian Grand Prix.

Technical Changes - German Grand Prix

Weather Forecast

Forecast Summary:
Emphasis: Wet running possible at times, especially Fri/Sat. Current expectations see dry or largely dry conditions for the race.

Friday: Mostly cloudy but some sunny spells developing; showers likely at times, some heavy. Chance of PPN 50%. Max 27C. Wind light SSE.

Saturday: Variable cloud cover and sunny spells. Heavy showers likely at times. Chance of PPN 60%. Max 28C. Wind light E.

Sunday: Showers possible AM but expected to be dry for the race, with well-broken mid-level cloud and sunny spells. Chance of PPN 30%. Max 26C. Wind light WNW.


News

• Bernie says order regs need reviewing
  Bernie Ecclestone admits a discussion on Formula 1’s team order regulations is needed in wake of the controversy caused by Ferrari at Hockenheim, with the commercial supremo in favour of allowing teams to manage their cars as they see fit.
• Montezemolo slams 'hypocritical' critics
  Ferrari president Luca di Montezemolo has leapt to the defence of his under-fire team and accused critics of its controversial tactics in the German Grand Prix of “hypocrisy”.
• Ferrari expresses confidence in WMSC
  Ferrari is confident that the World Motor Sport Council will understand its controversial actions at Hockenheim after it decided not to appeal against the $100,000 fine imposed on it by race stewards.
• Domenicali insists no order was given
  Ferrari chief Stefano Domenicali insists the team didn’t order Felipe Massa to move aside for team-mate Fernando Alonso at Hockenheim, and that its controversial radio message had simply been intended to inform the Brazilian of the developing situation around him.
• Unrepentant Ferrari target Hungarian success
  They may be racing under the cloud of possible further sanctions from the FIA after their controversial one-two result in Germany, but Ferrari are determined to stay upbeat ahead of this weekend’s Hungarian race.
• Lewis: We need to find pace urgently
  Lewis Hamilton said McLaren has no time to lose in making up the lost ground to Red Bull and Ferrari after finishing a distant fourth in the German Grand Prix.
• McLaren “don’t understand” Red Bull’s wing
  McLaren engineering director Paddy Lowe admitted the team are struggling to understand how Red Bull and Ferrari’s flexing front wings work.
• Drivers baffled by Mercedes slump
  Mercedes duo Nico Rosberg and Michael Schumacher admitted they were perplexed by how their car could go from being a podium finisher in Britain to being lapped by the leaders in Germany just one round later.
• Tyre blunder earns Force India reprimand
  Force India’s wretched German Grand Prix was compounded by a post-race reprimand from the stewards for fitting the wrong tyres to both its cars during a chaotic start to the race.
• Force India to run blown diffuser
  Force India will run an exhaust-blown diffuser for the first time this year in practice for the Hungarian Grand Prix.
• Don't expect a Monaco repeat – Kubica
  Robert Kubica believes Renault should be more competitive at the Hungaroring than it was last weekend in Germany – but has ruled out a repeat of his front-running performance at the similarly slow Monaco circuit earlier this year.
• STR duo disagree over collision
  Toro Rosso duo Jaime Alguersuari and Sebastien Buemi each felt they were the innocent party in the first-lap tangle that ruined the team's German Grand Prix.
• Yamamoto retains seat for Hungary
  Karun Chandhok will remain out in the cold at Hispania for this weekend’s Hungarian Grand Prix after the team confirmed Sakon Yamamoto would continue to drive alongside Bruno Senna.
• Yamamoto’s blunders (HRT race review)
  Sakon Yamamoto’s second appearance for HRT – this time in place of Karun Chandhok – did not go very well.

The track and TV coverage starts

Technical changes Hungry

FIA Thursday press conference - Hungary
Drivers: Rubens Barrichello (Williams), Heikki Kovalainen (Lotus), Robert Kubica (Renault), Felipe Massa (Ferrari), Sakon Yamamoto (HRT)

FIA Friday press conference - Hungary
Team principals: Eric Boullier (Renault), Stefano Domenicali (Ferrari), Christian Horner (Red Bull) and Colin Kolles (HRT).


Practice 1

http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/motorsport/formula_one/8871638.stm
The Red Bulls of Sebastian Vettel and Mark Webber dominate the first practice session for the Hungarian GP.

Practice 2

F1: Highlights - Hungarian Grand Prix second practice
Sebastian Vettel is once again the fastest man at the Hungaroring, but Fernando Alonso and Ferrari close the gap in Friday afternoon's practice session.


Practice 3

Watch Sebastian Vettel's Hungarian Grand Prix pole lap
In-car footage of Red Bull driver Sebastian Vettel taking pole position for the Hungarian Grand Prix.



Qaulifying

Hungary GP qualifying - Top three drivers
Red Bull's Sebastian Vettel praises the set-up of his car after taking pole ahead of team-mate Mark Webber and Ferrari's Fernando Alonso in qualfying for the Hungarian Grand Prix.

Qualifying - selected team and driver quotes
Virgin’s Timo Glock on setting the pace for the new teams after qualifying 19th; reigning champion Jenson Button on failing to make Q3 for McLaren; and Red Bull’s Sebastian Vettel on clinching his fourth consecutive pole position. All 24 drivers, and senior team personnel, review Saturday’s action at the Hungaroring…


Race

Standings

 

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Also sat night party is cancelled, so will probably be back in time for qauli and defiantly for race &

 

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Wet + Hungary, got to be a mclaren win I hope!

not likely

Sunday: Showers possible AM but expected to be dry for the race, with well-broken mid-level cloud and sunny spells. Chance of PPN 30%. Max 26C. Wind light WNW.

 

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There's a diffrence between test and track, may pass test but still flex. But through video and stuff deemed illegal and flex test changed. Isn't that what happened to ferraris chassis?
Secondly I don't think fia has deemed them legal as such. No one had contested them. Mclaren have said instead of contesting they will just copy.

 

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This is further evidence for me why F1 needs a standard front and rear wing that all cars have to run in one of three format. Low Medium or High downforce. The amount of money wasted of wing design for a 10th of a second is beyond stupid. With little or no bearing on road car design it's pointless.

But only if they totally unrestrict engine and other development. Although I still don't see the need for standard wings. just make it much smaller with more rules. Whilst totally derstricting other areas. Ban on engine development is crazy, this is formula one and now there is no refuelling. There is no need for restrictions. the quantity of fuel will limit BHP and top speed.

This is not a same car series, and standard parts should be few and far between. But we do need less downforce, more mechanical grip and engines with enough power to break traction, chuck the rear end out and not be able to go flat out round corners.

FIa should just say if it passes scrutineering, then it is legal. Or if there are loop holes like double diffuser/f-duct. then again it is legal. Which to be fair they have been doing the last couple of seasons.

 

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With a wmsc I can't see Ferrari doing anything, not even a bodged pit stop. It is to risky to inflame the situation further.

 

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That's because r5l are professionals, BBC is blundering idiots. Most people think Brundle is good, but compare him to r5l team it is shameful. If I watch it live it nearly always gets put on red button to r5l comentrey.

 

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trouble is fia snd to sn extent the teams are fighting against progress.

Kers is and can be used in road cars as well as other industries. yet they totally restrict it's use and development. Meaning F1 can no longer be used as a platform to research, design and devlope these systems.

GReen means using less fuel, but agin they say the engine has to be x-litre and be turboed, with x valves, x-rpm so on and so forth. Again it destroys any devlopment usefull for other industries.

Same can be said for pretty much all c omponents.
Now if they said design kers, it has to start with no energy. You can decide how much it charges, how much bhp increase and how long you can hold the button for. Not only would it be greener, it would have proper research and devlopment usefull to other industries.

Same with engine, you have x-litres, make what ever engine you want, with any forced air system yyou want. Again usefull advances, whilst being far greener, again usefull outside of f1.

At the moment they spend 10's-100's of illions on aero, which have almost no gains. Further restrict ao, but not standard parts, smaller wings and less winglets.

If they did those 3 things it would be
1) greener
2 bring back what F1 is about
3) more profitable as industries will invest to test and develop there systems.
4) better racing, less aero, more mechanical grip and more BHP to test the drivers.

and look at other systems
hdrogen/electric or what ever. research a safe system for the "fuel" set up tests and include it in the rules. I doubt anyone would enter one for a few years, but you can bet your behind loads of companies would invest millions into research. Just look at le-mans alternative fuel. Could you imagine a company entering an electric car and winning first season, the wealth and sales they would generate.
Torque all though the power range, no gears, lower centre of gravity, more reliable. Just have to sort battery or fuel cell out.

 

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Williams do have some bearing on Road cars though, Porsche have partnered up with Williams, to develop Williams' Flywheel KERS System into something that can be used in road cars, and the 911 GT3 R Hybrid is the test bed for this.

but how much, kers has so many restrictions on it, bhp, time ect. It's the reason loads of companies aren't themselfs at it, it is far to restricted and for what reason? there is only so much energy you can recover from braking, the more you recover the more unstable the car is.

Some very valid points. Especially the one highlighted in bold.

As I've said before the only reason people invest in F1 is advertisment. This never use to be the case, pre mid 90's. Just look at the massive amounts of devlopments, just look at the williams car which never ran, was 95's? with the variable always in sync gearbox, active suspension and the rest, before that, you had loads of companys investing in engines. Or other electronics, which are know used in road cars.

 

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That porche uses electric not flywheel, so don't get how it's a test bed.
It's also using f1 type system. f1 is 80ish bhp for 6 seconds. That appears to be 160bhp for 3 seconds. So is already as good as an F1 system can legally go, so any further development will be outside of f1.

It only charges relatively fast, because the power and length of charge is short.

 

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Horner trying to defend their front wing.. and failing

I think it was quite good, wouldn't tell how it worked, just that it passed all FIA testing and that the designers where clever.
The only thing which annoyed me a bit was saying all the fuss. I don't think there has been a fuss. No ones gone to FIA, It's just people are impressed how it passes FIA and but still flexes.

 

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Is it as easy as they think, add on 4 or 5 little winglets onto the end plates to create high levels of down force, which ends the wing down.

 

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It can still be deemed illegal even if it passes the test under the banner of moving aero device regardless of any test. eg the front wings 2 years ago.

They won't be if no one challenges it, which no one has yet.
Also as shown in the last two years, FIA are unlikely to deem it illegal as it fulls with in the rules.
It makes a nice change with the FIA declaring both double diffuser and f-duct legal.

 

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The FIA may change their testing though, whether or not a team challenges it. I would guess now they will change it at least for the next season.

yep next season more than likely, I would be gob-smacked if they changed it this year without a challenge and doubtful even with a challenge.

unless due to a safety reason, where other teams are losing front wings as they flex to much and clip the floors.

 

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well m5 was jammed, so just sitting down to watch qauli now, although know what the grid is




Not looking good at all, lets hope for some rbr gremlins or a vettle/alonoso/webber pile up

 

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how long have redbull had the 'flexi wing', if its deemed illegal will they have all previous results void and lose the points?

since last year, previous results and points will be unchanged

If the FIA deem the wings illegal (or similar), they could ask Ferrari and RBR to use stiffer wings which don't flex, for tomorrows race and beyond.

If they are deemed illegal (which I doubt it), then I expect they won'#t clarify till after the race, as I doubt teams have spare stiff wings.

 

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http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/motorsport/formula_one/8871638.stm
The Red Bulls of Sebastian Vettel and Mark Webber dominate the first practice session for the Hungarian GP.

F1: Highlights - Hungarian Grand Prix second practice
Sebastian Vettel is once again the fastest man at the Hungaroring, but Fernando Alonso and Ferrari close the gap in Friday afternoon's practice session.

Watch Sebastian Vettel's Hungarian Grand Prix pole lap
In-car footage of Red Bull driver Sebastian Vettel taking pole position for the Hungarian Grand Prix.

Hungary GP qualifying - Top three drivers
Red Bull's Sebastian Vettel praises the set-up of his car after taking pole ahead of team-mate Mark Webber and Ferrari's Fernando Alonso in qualfying for the Hungarian Grand Prix.

FIA Thursday press conference - Hungary
Drivers: Rubens Barrichello (Williams), Heikki Kovalainen (Lotus), Robert Kubica (Renault), Felipe Massa (Ferrari), Sakon Yamamoto (HRT)

FIA Friday press conference - Hungary
Team principals: Eric Boullier (Renault), Stefano Domenicali (Ferrari), Christian Horner (Red Bull) and Colin Kolles (HRT).

Qualifying - selected team and driver quotes
Virgin’s Timo Glock on setting the pace for the new teams after qualifying 19th; reigning champion Jenson Button on failing to make Q3 for McLaren; and Red Bull’s Sebastian Vettel on clinching his fourth consecutive pole position. All 24 drivers, and senior team personnel, review Saturday’s action at the Hungaroring…

 

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Just been looking at the rulkes,
They can indeed change the rules on the fly. I am now totally unsure what the FIA will do now that teams have asked for clarification. Surley it has to be banned, it deflects more than it should, it is classed as movable aero and the rules allow change of testing. But I just can't see them banning it before the race, as they wont have stiff front wings.,

3.17.8 In order to ensure that the requirements of Article 3.15 are respected, the FIA reserves the right to introduce further load/deflection tests on any part of the bodywork which appears to be (or is suspected of), moving whilst the car is in motion.

This makes it totally different to f-duct or double diffuser which where loop holes.

This goes against deflection rules and the rules allow the fia to change the testing system at any time.

 

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I thought they had semi flex last year, just no where near as much.,

 

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In the cases where these developments are within the rules ie. there is freedom as long as a test is passed, it's fine - but where it knowingly breaks a rule but passes a test then surely it should be banned. The problem would be that as it's a cumilative effect - each individual part may pass specific tests, but as a whole it may violate regulations.

The flexi wing, isn't within the rules.

3.17.8 In order to ensure that the requirements of Article 3.15 are respected, the FIA reserves the right to introduce further load/deflection tests on any part of the bodywork which appears to be (or is suspected of), moving whilst the car is in motion.

3.15- must remain immobile in relation to the sprung part of the car.