Hungarian Grand Prix 2010, Hungaroring Circuit - Race 12/19

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Good point Schumacher. Barrichello could have went up the other side which had plenty of room instead of the side he did go which was tight. Too much moaning over nothing and Coulthard is a bitter man.

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he pulled over after the start of the move, so would have made no difference what side he went on.

Making it 4 weeks.. and way too long.. :(

But good at the same time, 2 week factory shut down. then two weeks for Mclaren to scratch there head and plenty of time to rule on flexi wing and any other flexi part.
 
Just because he is the best this season, doesn't make him a brilliant all round driver. Not being able to think tactically a massive disadvantage. It's the diffrence between several wdc and an all time great.
 
4 weeks...no?

yep

Spa-Francorchamps, 27-29 August

Friday 27 August
Practice one: 0855-1035, BBC Red Button/online
Practice two: 1255-1435, BBC Red Button/online

Saturday 28 August
Practice three: 0955-1105, BBC Red Button/online
Qualifying: 1210-1410, BBC One/online and BBC Radio 5 live sport extra/online

Sunday 29 August
Race: 1210-1515, BBC One/online and BBC Radio 5 live/online
 
why? is a flexible wing a terrible thing? just trying to interfere and curtail red bull dominance imo.

It's against the rules.

Or do you want FIA to pick and choose which rules they enforce. Something which they have been heavily criticised for.

If true, it is a sensible clarification and the what I expected and hoped for.

MSC has also been found of braking rules and given a 10 place grid drop, how is that not concentrating on punishing those who needlessly push others of the track. Today was a step to far you can't stifle racing though. Which is why most of the time it is allowed. Also on the exit of a corner, you can not stop your car riding towards the outside.
 
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Nothing much to add really other than i wish there was some consistency with the fines and punishments being dished out.

Trouble is it has never been consistent. Is it this year or last year change of leadership and driver stewards?, I forget, but I think it's only this year isn't it.

either way you should only compare it to punishments from this year or this year and last.
 
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Senna used to that sort of stuff all the time, and is considered a legend for it..

Times change and it is no longer acceptable for race drivers to die.

Back then it was low safety, high aggression, cars with to much bhp to aero grip and anything for a win.

Those were good days indeed.
 
I am, and i would still like to see some consistency.

So would I but, you can't judge penalties with past penalties. The system has changed with an outlook of being more consistent. You have to give it a chance and see how it pans out.

why wouldn't vettle be punished?

IMO it was the move and the wall combined that made a punishment.
I can only think of one other move remotely similar and that was vettle vs webber, which of course was the same team. But even that was not the same, webber had plenty of room to manoeuvre. Similar swerve, but there was plenty of track left. If it was against someone else, then he probably would have been punished. But of course, RBR aren't going to lodge a complaint.
 
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You telling me that Webber can not see straight in front of him.

It was not deliberate, he was caught napping. Nothing like the same. That was stupid, but a racing inciedent.


There is a massive diffrence between closing the door and trying to put some one in the wall, they have set s presedence for the later.
 
He did not put him in the wall though, he left just enough room. For what it's worth I thought Schumacher was too aggressive in defending his position, my point is the inconsistency in the stewards decisions. Kovaleinin was in far more danger than Barrichelo and this is F1, the pinnacle of motorsport so don't give me "caught napping" as an excuse.

Danger doesn't have anything to do with, if a rule was broken. Did webber do it on purpose, wreked his race for nothing, of course he didn't. It was a racing incident.
 
Unfortunately you thought wrong, it's just a precession now. No racing aloud, a definitely not allowed to defend you're place. shesh.

:rolleyes: racing and defending is certainly allowed as we have seen every other race.
What is not aloud is far to much aggression. If you think that should be allowed, then there will never ever be any over taking as all the defending driver has to do is use their car as a weapon and go for it.
As we have seen from many drivers aggression, blocking and pushing is allowed, this crossed a fine line.
 
But the Ferrari was faster on the straights, something MS didn't have over RB so the FA/SV contest isn't really comparable.

The Mercedes should have been faster in a straight line, he was keeping RB at bay very well. Until he made a mistake in tee last corner, that's what allowed RB to make that move. A balls up by MSC.
 
I don't agree with webber, it is clearly against the rules. Even though it passes scrutineering. hence FIA adding the scrutineering clause.

There own fault for being to greedy. If they kept the flex to a more reasonable amount, they would have been fine. Just like Ferrari, if they didn't communicate and Massa had a "mistake" they would have been fine.

Of course people are going to moan, we are talking 100's of millions per team.

webber is not correct, as the car is not in the spirit of the regs, as there is no spirit. It beats a test design to check if it is within the regs, but the test fails, because when running on track the car is not within the regs. It's up to the fia whether that matters or not.

I don't know why people keep saying in the spirit, it is just against the rules, the rules goes into flex and scruteenering can be changed at the FIAa whim if to much flex is observed.
 
Any news on whether the flexi wings are going to be banned?

"leaked" that test weights will be doubled. How true that is we will have to wait.

FIA haven't really let them get away with it.

A) no one asked for clarification
B) it has been a progressive design and only in the last couple of races has been very noticeable.


There is no spirit of the rules, but there are rules clearly banning to much flex and rules allowing FIA to change test procedure.
 
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7 points is nothing and what happens latter in the season if Hamilton retires a couple of races, while they are close better to let them go for it.
 
The FIA have definitely known what was going on. Yet they have continued to allow RBR to break the rules. It shouldnt need some form of protest from another team, for the obvious to be pointed out to the FIA.
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That is how these things work. if it passes scrutineering. it is up for teams to lodge their concerns. Which two teams now have, fia are now investigating and it is likely the scruiteneering will now be altered as per the regs.
 
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