Hyperthreading vs Non Hyperthreading in games

joedeath332 · 12 Nov 2019 at 17:53

Robert896r1 said:
Yeah no problem on getting a 9700k to
5GH+

What’s your budget?

The Aorus master from gigabyte has a lot of USB ports without many incompatibility issues. However you’d want 4 slots filled for ram over clocking past 3600mhz

Yar i was also looking at that as i heard that was the good board. plus it also has to full speed m2 slots , i seen its out of stock at OC , so i might have to buy it elsewhere.

BTW i take it that most Z390 chipset boards come with a bios version that the i7 9700kf will work straight out of the box , and not leave me in a position of needing to get the bios updated before the cpu will work.

joedeath332 · 12 Nov 2019 at 18:24

@Robert896r1 i think ill push out the boat and stretch to the Gigabyte Aorus Master ,

Robert896r1 said:
Yeah no problem on getting a 9700k to
5GH+

What’s your budget?

The Aorus master from gigabyte has a lot of USB ports without many incompatibility issues. However you’d want 4 slots filled for ram over clocking past 3600mhz

Sod it i think ill push out the boat and stretch to buying the Gigabyte Aorus Master , but what do u mean by past 3600mhz ??
the memory i will be buying is : https://www.overclockers.co.uk/team...3600mhz-dual-channel-kit-black-my-08q-tg.html
if i buy just 2 sticks and don't take it past 3600mhz with as tight a timings as possible , would that not be ok for 5ghz from the cpu

Deleted User 456458 · 12 Nov 2019 at 18:29

joedeath332 said:
@Robert896r1 i think ill push out the boat and stretch to the Gigabyte Aorus Master ,

Sod it i think ill push out the boat and stretch to buying the Gigabyte Aorus Master , but what do u mean by past 3600mhz ??
the memory i will be buying is : https://www.overclockers.co.uk/team...3600mhz-dual-channel-kit-black-my-08q-tg.html
if i buy just 2 sticks and don't take it past 3600mhz with as tight a timings as possible , would that not be ok for 5ghz from the cpu

That ram will be fine and you can handtune all the timings very tight. Just to go past 4000mhz you'll need all for 4 slots populated.

As for VRM's on the master, there's 0 chance of a 9700k even stressing them. Once you get it, I can help you use offset voltage to max out the chip at lowest load voltage and temps.

BIOS should be fine. F9 is the stable version. Avoid F10.

Depending on how rushed you are, might want to see if black friday brings any sales/bundles.

joedeath332 · 12 Nov 2019 at 19:14

@Robert896r1 yip black Friday was going to be my goal , but i think i might buy today as the i7-9700kF is reduced to £299 on Overclockers as this week only , and Also places selling the Gigabyte Aorus Master seems to be limited due to stock availability.
If i wait for the Black friday deals , i'd probably end up saving a few £££ ,but getting something inferior.
Decisions , Decisions , Decisions !!!!

EDIT : suppose if i did wait and the 9700K was on offer as apposed to the 9700KF , then it would not be the end of the world as i'm sure that would work (overclock) just as well.

Deleted User 456458 · 12 Nov 2019 at 19:40

For what youll be doing, both are the same thing. Buy the one that's cheaper.

Chrisc · 12 Nov 2019 at 20:15

~>Dg<~ said:
they go to about £120,generally its this kinda time of the year to feb. so start looking for the price drops soon. i mainly play dirt rally games. i helped with the handling for dirt rally 2 and my name is in the game credits. assetto corsa original is really good. competionzione not really.

Cheers dude

Just noticed your youtube channel, ill give them a watch

joedeath332 · 12 Nov 2019 at 20:34

Robert896r1 said:
For what youll be doing, both are the same thing. Buy the one that's cheaper.

Thanks for offering to help me out with the tuning , i think i will hold of buying the i7 9700KF today while it is discounted and just hold out till the Black Friday and see what sales happen

Journey · 12 Nov 2019 at 21:02

So weird, the other day you were waiting until January now is BF.
You literally have a platform that your can just drop a 3600/X or 3700X into and end up with the best part of 96%+ of what the 9700K is going to offer but instead you are changing board/RAM/CPU and SSD, at a huge expense for 4%...

It's your money, if you want to pee it up the wall then so be it.

kitfit1 · 12 Nov 2019 at 22:02

Journey said:
So weird, the other day you were waiting until January now is BF.
You literally have a platform that your can just drop a 3600/X or 3700X into and end up with the best part of 96%+ of what the 9700K is going to offer but instead you are changing board/RAM/CPU and SSD, at a huge expense for 4%...

It's your money, if you want to pee it up the wall then so be it.

Yep. Over the last couple of years i've come to the conclusion that some peeps simply won't accept that an AMD Ryzen will be better than Intel until every single game will be faster on Ryzen by at least 30%.
In the early days of Ryzen the norm was "well, all my games are 10% faster, then with Ryzen+ "well all my games are still 5% faster" Now, "well the one game i play is 2fps faster than Ryzen"................................................some peeps really do need to get a grip of themselves ffs.

joedeath332 · 12 Nov 2019 at 22:19

@Journey & @kitfit1 thanks for the heads up about ryzen , yes i already have the 2700x and yes i could just drop the 3800x into the MB , but the SINGLE CORE performance that i need will not be there for the game that i play mostly , and then if i was still getting FPS drops in that game i would still be looking to upgrade to get a single core performance of 5ghz.
its like cars , manufactures make so many different models , as not one model will do all , even if it is a BMW m5 with all that HP it would be no use to someones granny who just wants to go to the post office down the road each week.

IT Troll · 12 Nov 2019 at 22:33

joedeath332 said:
BTW i take it that most Z390 chipset boards come with a bios version that the i7 9700kf will work straight out of the box , and not leave me in a position of needing to get the bios updated before the cpu will work.

There are some R0 stepping CPUs in retail channels now (I have one, same revision as the 9900KS). Older BIOS versions will blue screen in Windows, but I believe you can update the BIOS outside of Windows.

Journey · 12 Nov 2019 at 23:26

@joedeath332 As I said it is your cash.
You are running a 1080Ti, and you are doing a VR racing SIM game. Spending £250 on a new motherboard and £350 on a CPU, to gain a few percent.

You could sell the 1080Ti, get a RTX 2080Ti and a 3700X and end up with a better result for a simlar cost once you sell on the 2700X.

joedeath332 · 12 Nov 2019 at 23:39

Journey said:
@joedeath332 As I said it is your cash.
You are running a 1080Ti, and you are doing a VR racing SIM game. Spending £250 on a new motherboard and £350 on a CPU, to gain a few percent.

You could sell the 1080Ti, get a RTX 2080Ti and a 3700X and end up with a better result for a simlar cost once you sell on the 2700X.

Shhhhhh now Shhhhhhh , stop tempting me with that new shiny 2080ti

joedeath332 · 12 Nov 2019 at 23:40

IT Troll said:
There are some R0 stepping CPUs in retail channels now (I have one, same revision as the 9900KS). Older BIOS versions will blue screen in Windows, but I believe you can update the BIOS outside of Windows.

Thanks for the heads up. :cool:

Journey · 12 Nov 2019 at 23:46

joedeath332 said:
Shhhhhh now Shhhhhhh , stop tempting me with that new shiny 2080ti

It's hardly tempting, it's pretty much the same as what you'd be spending, but iRacing would end up with huge gains rather than a few percent.

You can get the EVGA RTX 2080 Ti Black Edition for <£975, a good quality 1080 Ti will fetch ~£400. You would be mad to buy a CPU platform upgrade over this. Go check the forums about VR iRacing comparing the two cards.

Plec · 13 Nov 2019 at 01:06

Journey said:
It's hardly tempting, it's pretty much the same as what you'd be spending, but iRacing would end up with huge gains rather than a few percent.

You can get the EVGA RTX 2080 Ti Black Edition for <£975, a good quality 1080 Ti will fetch ~£400. You would be mad to buy a CPU platform upgrade over this. Go check the forums about VR iRacing comparing the two cards.

Agree with the above.

The combined strength/performance of the 3700X coupled with the mighty 2080Ti really is a fortuitous option when compared to the comparatively expensive limited gains of swapping to a 9700K and respective motherboard, when paired with your present 1080Ti.

We're not disagreeing that the 9700K/motherboard will give you gains - but those gains are nowhere near the value to performance ratio of dropping in a singular 3700X into you present setup and then pairing it with a 2080Ti powerhouse (when components sold/exchanged etc).

Below may help - skip to 16:30 for 1080Ti performance and then 17:50 for 2080Ti comparison in VR iracing (combined with an 8700K at stock - *i think quick scan through)

Orange Nexus · 13 Nov 2019 at 06:32

joedeath332 said:
@Journey & @kitfit1 thanks for the heads up about ryzen , yes i already have the 2700x and yes i could just drop the 3800x into the MB , but the SINGLE CORE performance that i need will not be there for the game that i play mostly , and then if i was still getting FPS drops in that game i would still be looking to upgrade to get a single core performance of 5ghz.
its like cars , manufactures make so many different models , as not one model will do all , even if it is a BMW m5 with all that HP it would be no use to someones granny who just wants to go to the post office down the road each week.

Gen 1 and 1+ rely on fast and tight timing RAM. Since you are contemplating in upgrading your RAM, why not start there first. Overcome the Infinity Fabric and see your minimums go higher. Preferably 3466 CL 14. When Ryzen 4000 comes out - upgrade.

joedeath332 · 13 Nov 2019 at 14:07

Plec said:
Agree with the above.

The combined strength/performance of the 3700X coupled with the mighty 2080Ti really is a fortuitous option when compared to the comparatively expensive limited gains of swapping to a 9700K and respective motherboard, when paired with your present 1080Ti.

We're not disagreeing that the 9700K/motherboard will give you gains - but those gains are nowhere near the value to performance ratio of dropping in a singular 3700X into you present setup and then pairing it with a 2080Ti powerhouse (when components sold/exchanged etc).

Below may help - skip to 16:30 for 1080Ti performance and then 17:50 for 2080Ti comparison in VR iracing (combined with an 8700K at stock - *i think quick scan through)

very interesting video , and he did the comparisons well , the difference with me is that my VR headset is the HP Reverb with a screen ressolution of 4320 x 2160 ( 2160 x 2160 per eye )
HOWEVER after watching this video i am sort of in the camp of upgrading the 1080ti to a 2080ti and see what happens first of all.
@Plec Thanks for sharing

joedeath332 · 13 Nov 2019 at 14:09

Orange Nexus said:
Gen 1 and 1+ rely on fast and tight timing RAM. Since you are contemplating in upgrading your RAM, why not start there first. Overcome the Infinity Fabric and see your minimums go higher. Preferably 3466 CL 14. When Ryzen 4000 comes out - upgrade.

does OC sell any that you can link so i can see what ram you mean , or if not then link from the manufacters please

Orange Nexus · 13 Nov 2019 at 14:45

joedeath332 said:
does OC sell any that you can link so i can see what ram you mean , or if not then link from the manufacters please

You mean RAM which comes with a speed of 3466 CL14? No, can't find any. You can go look for some G.Skill FlareX 3200 CL14 and oc it to 3466 CL14, which is fairly easy to do with the 2700X. Or, you can get this . . .

https://www.overclockers.co.uk/team...3600mhz-dual-channel-kit-black-my-08q-tg.html

either try to run it at manufacturer's spec using DOCP or the DRAM Calculator. But, you might be able to run it down to 3466 CL14, again using the Calculator and compare which between settings gives the lowest Memory Latency using Aida64.

Sometimes it is easier to downclock than to oc and still get better memory latency. You want to shoot for at least 65ns. A 3466 CL14 on Gen 1+ will give you about 60 ns.

That RAM kit is perfect for Gen 2 and might work just as well with Gen 3.