I Am Greta
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Has she been to China and other parts of Asia where the bulk of the issues that are creating climate change come from?
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Not that I know of. And she won't be welcome with open arms or given any type of platform over there either. Speaking specifically of China here of course.
But that is where the core issues need to be addressed isn't it?
Gotta love all the cynical armchair critics saying she's nothing special. How many on here have done something like striking outside their school for a cause they believe in and not long after find themselves being invited to meet Arnie, the UN secretary general and the Pope.
She's not being pushed and pulled like a media puppet, she's doing this of her own free will.
Like her or not, you can't deny what she's done is extraordinary for a 15 year old.
She might go there soon, who knows.
She's not being pushed and pulled like a media puppet, she's doing this of her own free will.
Like her or not, you can't deny what she's done is extraordinary for a 15 year old.
She might go there soon, who knows.
When she goes onstage without a script, she is so lost and can't form 2 words.
Mind you she has made a bunch of money
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Aye, agreed. But it's also the one place she won't be able to get any traction. So her ideological crusade is basically dead in the water. If the key player you need to change isn't going to do as you say, your goal of whatever is never going to come to fruition. But she won't admit that, and then there's people egging her on like she can make a difference, when clearly she can't. But her financial crusade is going to keep on going. We've all seen similar ones pop up here and there before.
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The only great contribution to the world she has ever made is this meme.
She may or may not make any difference, that is true. But you can't deny her tenacity and the fresh awareness she's brought into the world of the need for fixing climate change. Most kids of her age don't want to be bothered with being activists for political and global matters. She's not doing it for money or to be famous. That's evident from watching the documentary.
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The who she meets through invitation is immaterial really. Since someone can do the exact same thing elsewhere (say China) and never be invited to anything by any of those you listed. I happen to know (almost directly really, but I'll just say) indirectly the Blairs (yes the former PM), but if I wanted to meet with them, I'm sure I can put some ideological thing together and get them to turn up because of that, because I "know" certain people, and those certain people "know" them, and I "know" what motivates them to turn up. Does it make me any more special than anyone else? No. Definitely NOT.
Do you have any relatives like her? Because I do. Her "free will" as you say, is not quite as free as you think. (More below)
No, she won't be going there the same as she went to the UN or any of the other big orginisations (who invited her). There's a difference in going there and then pointing fingers at President Jia in the same room and accusing them of failure to the environment and not saving the future, and just going there and doing a little piece as far away from where you really need to be (in the same room as them and them listening) and then claim a victory of any kind. You, I and everyone else knows this is true. She CAN go there. But not in the fashion she needs to if she wants her crusade to succeed, which is the key factor to "going" to China. So lets not kid ourselves on that front.
Here's the thing, I have a family member that's just like her. And I "know" exactly how to manipulate them as I want them to (plant an idea into their head and then get them to obsess over it and repeat it and then bug other people about it non stop), in the exact same fashion as Greta is effectively. It's not tenacity for them really, it's more of a disorder, or exploitation of their thinking process. They wouldn't be doing it for money or to be famous either. So it's NOT unique to her. But those around them could be raking it in.
As for fresh awareness, I don't think it's fresh at all. She hasn't actually offered anything in terms of "fixing" climate change, any more than previous environmentalist protestors have. Just been given more coverage (which again, means little). But again, many recognise that there's a piece missing to this puzzle, and without that piece, any "fixing" of anything will not yield anything close to the results they are even envisioninig. So unless that changes, all she's doing is making noise, which others before her have done, and will continue to do so by others in the future too. But it'll be nothing new.
I'll be happy to throw my support behind whoever happens to have that key player on their side, but as of this time, it is not Greta.
This I agree with, she is definitely tenacious. I dont think she (or anyone on this planet, either in the capacity of an individual or the capacity as a nation) will make any difference but you are correct she certainly has tenacity.
To be fair, you, unless you are much closer to her than we would think, 100% cannot possibly know that. You just can't. You can have a feeling of it, you can come to that conclusion based upon what you have seen of her in the media and read in articles, but unless you literally know her and the people around her in real life, you cannot possibly know it for sure.
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Have you watched the documentary? I recommend you do and then make your mind up whether you still think she's a puppet or not. I do not believe she is. The emotions and anger she displays says to me this is coming directly from her.
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It's her Dad who is the pawn, I feel so sorry for him and she's definitely not a puppet.
Great documentary and shows autism in action.
For one, its a documentary, documentaries by their very nature are edited and filmed to present a specific message. Unless the documentary is 24/7 live, unedited.
For two, I quite literally just said "based upon what you have seen of her in the media and read in articles" and you just mention yet another piece of media.
And for three...whether I "think" she is a puppet or not, is utterly irrelevant. I cannot know that she is or isnt because I do not know her in reality, only what is portrayed or allowed to be portrayed in media and that was exactly my point, you stated quite assuredly that "She's not being pushed and pulled like a media puppet, she's doing this of her own free will." , my whole point was that you cannot know that. What impression you form because of a documentary is not fact, its an impression.
Your adjusted sentence that you "do not believe she is", is much more accurate but thats all it is, a belief.
I'll not be watching the documentary though anyway because she is irrelevant to me, I'm just not interested in her enough to bother sitting and watching a documentary about her, as I say, she's just another human not a new messiah.
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Knowing all the autistic kids I've worked with in the past, knowing many parents of autistic kids and my wife working with autistic kids, my belief is none of them are being pushed or pulled, you play to their tune and hope something gets through.
Which is entirely possible but my point still stands, its (as you rightly say) a belief, not a fact. Unless Merlin actually knows her in real life, he/she cannot possibly know for a fact that she isnt being pushed or pulled, we can only make that call based upon the impression we get from media footage which inherently makes it no more a fact than Hilaria Baldwin is Spanish, as portrayed in the media for the last 10 years. Some people will watch the footage in the media of Greta and come to the conclusion that its all her and nobody behind the scenes with an agenda of their own and others will watch the footage in the media of Greta and come to the conclusion that she is controlled by people behind the scenes, but neither of those people (unless they know the real her and those around her in real life) can know for certain, both are just making assumptions based upon the footage they have viewed and their interpretation of it.
If you go with this line of thinking then it's pointless to discuss anyone else other than yourself and even then people lack self-awareness.
She and everyone around her could give sworn testimonies that she's not being controlled and even that wouldn't be 100% would it?
Also, for someone who is irrelevant to you, you seem very hung up on other peoples views of her
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Entirely correct yes. Bottom line is, a person doesnt know something is really true or not about another person unless they actually know that other person, and yes you're right that goes for most people in life. Hell serial killers have had people give sworn testimonies in their favour before, still turned out to be serial killers though. I mean, I could say all sorts of things about myself on here, then I could upload a video of me saying it, then I could have my wife and friends upload videos confirming that what I've said is true but that doesnt make it true does it, you reading my words and watching my videos wouldnt truly know for a fact that its true, all you would know is that from what you have seen and read about me, you believe it to be true. Its the fundamental difference between fact and assumed fact.
Case in point is Hilary Baldwin, just look at how many people said (and still say in the case of her Husband, Alec Baldwin) that she's Spanish. But she isnt is she. The actual fact is, thats she not and despite the fake accents and the interviews and the tv shows and printed articles saying she is, she isnt. Obviously Greta isnt bending the truth like that and is probably sincere but I gave that example as one of how people around someone swearing something to be the case doesnt mean that it necessarily is.