I could really use some upgrade advice.
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It sounds like you're ready for a solid upgrade to keep up with the latest games and your demanding multitasking needs. For your budget of around £1400, I recommend going for an AMD Ryzen 9 7900X or Intel Core i7-13700K, paired with a compatible motherboard like the ASUS ROG Strix X670E (for AMD) or Z790 (for Intel), and 64GB of DDR5 RAM to future-proof your setup. Your current RTX 2070 might struggle with newer games and VR, so if possible, consider stretching your budget slightly to include a new GPU, like the RTX 4070, which would significantly enhance your gaming and VR experiences. Just make sure your PSU can handle the power requirements of the new components. This combination should give you a powerful system that's well-balanced and ready for the latest titles and mods.
I'd be inclined to keep what you have, but yes, 750 is enough, though the 850 is just a tenner more.
More detailed answer: the 4070 Ti Super is around 300 watts and the 7800X3D is between 50-100 (depends on the game). If you allow 50 for your other parts then that puts you at 450, but that's leaving some headroom as you can see in this review which includes whole system power numbers with a 7800X3D:
I'm inclined to keep what I have too and didn't even consider getting a new PSU until Quartz mentioned it might kill all my other components.
My current PSU is showing no signs currently of failing and as mentioned previously it's rated for a lifetime of 100,000 hours, I've barely exceeded half that at a rough estimate of around 52,000 hours, probably far, far less than that figure. I mean 8 years of 24 hour usage is only 70,000 hours and I turn my PC off at night and with holidays e.t.c it's probably around 40,000 hours used.
Thank you again.
Well that's a thoroughly depressing video in regards to my recently aquired 4070Ti Super, it seems to be quite a bit below or very similar to the 7900XT which is quite a bit cheaper as well.
I'm seriously considering returning the 4070Ti Super now, I thought it was supposed to be quite a bit better than the 7900XT and not far off the 7900XTX
You were supposed to just be looking at the power figures!Well that's a thoroughly depressing video in regards to my recently aquired 4070Ti Super, it seems to be quite a bit below or very similar to the 7900XT which is quite a bit cheaper as well.
I'm seriously considering returning the 4070Ti Super now, I thought it was supposed to be quite a bit better than the 7900XT and not far off the 7900XTX
I wouldn't worry about it, I think you're still best off with nvidia for VR and afaik Flight Sim also prefers nvidia and if you did anything else you'd end up getting a card with less than 16GB of VRAM, which doesn't make sense for the money, or for playing at 4K.
Sorry about thatYou were supposed to just be looking at the power figures!
I've watched a few other comparison videos and the 7900XT really does seem the better card in regards to a few of the games I mentioned in my original post like Baldur's Gate 3 and Starfield, not sure which is better for World of Warcraft as no one really tests that one.
I have 4 weeks to be able to return the 4070Ti Super so I'll do some further research on VR and Flight Sims, though to be honest I rarely play Microsoft Flight Simulator much these days so I won't use that as a deciding factor, Warcraft is the main one.
I might even be able to stretch to one of the cheaper 7900XTX's i.e the ones under £900.
Thanks again.
Soldato
I would send it back, personally. The AMD option is better.Sorry about that
I've watched a few other comparison videos and the 7900XT really does seem the better card in regards to a few of the games I mentioned in my original post like Baldur's Gate 3 and Starfield, not sure which is better for World of Warcraft as no one really tests that one.
I have 4 weeks to be able to return the 4070Ti Super so I'll do some further research on VR and Flight Sims, though to be honest I rarely play Microsoft Flight Simulator much these days so I won't use that as a deciding factor, Warcraft is the main one.
I might even be able to stretch to one of the cheaper 7900XTX's i.e the ones under £900.
Thanks again.
There was a lot of noise about Warcraft having issues with AMD awhile back, many threads on reddit. It might be fixed by now, but I'd have a look into it.
Is this for World of Warcraft or just in general?
Also is the XTX worth the extra over the XT?
Thank you.
I will definitely look into it.
I was reading a few sites last night that did seem to allude that AMD did sort out the issues with both Warcraft and VR.
Warcraft also uses FSR 1 on one of their expansions but to my knowledge have never used DLSS but then it hasn't used FSR 2 or 3 either.
Thanks again.
Soldato
AMD is good value but there are a couple of caveats to buying them.
Their drivers often mature with age and are often very buggy at release - it’s been like that for ages with AMD.
AMD doesn’t do Ray Tracing as well as Nvidia does but having had a 3080 and tried RT, I can’t say that it’s a deal breaker for me personally and I prefer the pure rasterisation performance.
AMD is usually better value with more VRAM which means your GPU should mature better.
Nvidia is super stingy with their VRAM and 8gigs just isn’t enough these days.
At a minimum, you want 10gigs of VRAM and ideally you’d be looking at 12 or even 16gigs.
I would also consider Intel GPUs if they are well priced, they seem to have had major driver improvements too and if they are on sale, they can be excellent value.
It really depends on your preferences tho.
Thank you.
I already have the 4070Ti Super which has 16GB VRam but after watching many comparison videos I'm really tempted to get the 7900XTX for just £100 more and that one has 24GB VRam.
As mentioned I've watched many videos on these cards but my knowledge just isn't enough to make an informed decision, a lot of the statistics they mention I don't understand like 1% lows.
I think this post has served it's purpose, I have now bought the CPU and Ram, waiting for the motherboard and cooler to come back in stock and now I just have to decide on the GPU which I think would be better off with it's own thread in the GPU section.
Thank you again and to everyone else that has helped my get this far.
Thank you.
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In ye olden days benchmarks only had maximum FPS, which was kind of meaningful about their performance, but it didn't really give you a clear idea of how they performed.
Later, it was changed to an average, because this is a much more consistent measure of their performance over a period of time (i.e. a short play of the game, or a benchmark).
Since then, we have had high refresh monitors and a huge growth in competitive esports gaming and I think the demand of gamers has moved way beyond "60 fps, cool!" to "my FPS dips to 150 AHH!!!".
1% and 0.1% lows were added to give a much clearer idea about the overall performance and how consistent those framerates are, so for example: if you're an esports gamer you might want to maintain 200 fps in your game in ALL scenarios, even in the most heavy firefights. A single player gamer generally doesn't care that much about the 1% and 0.1% lows.
The X3D CPUs aren't popular just for pushing higher frames on average, but because they improve the framerate consistency.
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Thank you, I'm definitely in the second group, as long as it runs smoothly I don't care how many frames per second I get, my main focus is on visual quality, I actually use a 77" OLED 4K tv as my monitor - it's all about the visuals