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Homosexuals dont work either?
I don't want a job
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Not a bad idea. Might be taking things a bit too far though
This guy is fraudulently claiming benefits. He is a thief and a parasite. We should cut off his benefits.
Perhaps some kind of blacklist could be created. All benefit cheats get put on the blacklist and are then unable to claim any benefits until they have repaid what they have stolen from us.
Why is everyone so pro killing benefits? Really, what would happen if we suddenly said "No, you've had long enough to find a job, no more, we're cutting you off".. ?
Higher crime rates? Still no more money in your pocket? Probably a good two to start with. Is it not worth giving some people this money just to keep them relatively dosile?
Now if you're suggesting we ship all these people off to the the Arctic, I'm with you.. But as long as they're here I really don't see what cutting off benefits would accomplish. You'd only have to end up spending all the money saved on extra police anyway.
Higher crime rates? Still no more money in your pocket? Probably a good two to start with. Is it not worth giving some people this money just to keep them relatively dosile?
Now if you're suggesting we ship all these people off to the the Arctic, I'm with you.. But as long as they're here I really don't see what cutting off benefits would accomplish. You'd only have to end up spending all the money saved on extra police anyway.
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I don't pay tax for this guy to play WOW all day. He can gtfo.
Or we could give them a cold taste of reality.
I'd rather have my money spent on prisons and police officers than spent paying off the bone idle.
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i agree. it should be a strictly enforced condition of benefit receipt that you are actively looking for work. however, i also think it is the responsibility of society to prioritise full employment as a policy goal. is it any wonder people just learn to get by on scraps when it is so long since the govt (of any colour) thought it was important that there was work for them? Duty to work and right to work go together.
And in turn you'll likely receive the same cold taste of reality when, heaven forbid, someone mugs you, or your house is broken into.
I don't like the bone idle either, but cutting them off cold turkey just doesn't sound like a sensible solution. Neither does giving every one of them a prison sentence and a criminal record. Hardly likely to help them contribute. You can't keep them locked up forever after all.
Been mugged plenty of times and there's been a spate of unsolved burglaries in and around my neighbourhood. Fear of crime will not make me bribe lazy people not to turn to crime.
They won't all turn to crime. Some will try to find work.
If we force them to work whilst incarcerated then I see no reason why we can't keep them locked up until they change their ways.
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I don't think people are suggesting we "dispose" of anyone. Only that they should earn their own living if physically/mentally possible. I don’t find it acceptable for someone to say "I don't want/need to work" because they're happy with £65 if that money isn't coming from thier own pocket.
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Once your born, theres no turning back. You are trapped into the human race of work and play. You must follow rules otherwise you will be punished. The clever people avoid these punishments. The clever people play the systems and enjoy life to a maximum. That is all that can be expected from someone, it's human nature.
Sorry not read the thread as its far too long now. I listened to the link and I am shocked, I always thought they 'might' be people like him but to actually hear someone talk like that is something else.
I did once come across somene similar down in London and his life was buskin, parties and going to festivles with tax payers hand outs and his buskin was more than enough to support his lifestyle. It was a very heated with him and almost came to blows as we were chalk and cheese.
I did once come across somene similar down in London and his life was buskin, parties and going to festivles with tax payers hand outs and his buskin was more than enough to support his lifestyle. It was a very heated with him and almost came to blows as we were chalk and cheese.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/p00f4746
Having listened to the full interview, I've changed my mind a bit. Is he really doing much harm?
Having listened to the full interview, I've changed my mind a bit. Is he really doing much harm?
Sorry to hear you've had to go through being mugged, multiple times. Would you be happy to be mugged even more? Because that was my point. I'm more than happy to bribe lazy people not to turn to crime, some people will just be lazy. There's a bigger problem to solve than just cutting off benefits. Perhaps something to do with the birth rate amongst those without the means or environment to properly raise a child would be a good place to start.
I'm not saying all will turn to crime either. I'm saying crimes rates would increase. Which they would. Do you think they wouldn't?
Your last point is just mental, I can't think of a better word. Keeping someone locked up indefinitely until someone decides they've changed their ways, whilst forcing them to work? How do you use their prison life as measure of how ready they are for the real world? Do you know anyone who's served a long sentence in prison and has had to come out and integrate back into society? I do, and it's not easy.
I know everyone on here likes to deal in black and whites. "Cut off their benefits!", "Send them to prison until they're fixed!", etc, thankfully no-one here to my knowledge is in any real position of power. Or if they are they view things as consequences, and not just actions. I think your last sentence tells me a lot about your position regarding this, I don't think you have anything more to hear from me on the matter
Good day!Sorry to hear you've had to go through being mugged, multiple times. Would you be happy to be mugged even more? Because that was my point. I'm more than happy to bribe lazy people not to turn to crime, some people will just be lazy. There's a bigger problem to solve than just cutting off benefits. Perhaps something to do with the birth rate amongst those without the means or environment to properly raise a child would be a good place to start.
I'm not saying all will turn to crime either. I'm saying crimes rates would increase. Which they would. Do you think they wouldn't?
Your last point is just mental, I can't think of a better word. Keeping someone locked up indefinitely until someone decides they've changed their ways, whilst forcing them to work? How do you use their prison life as measure of how ready they are for the real world? Do you know anyone who's served a long sentence in prison and has had to come out and integrate back into society? I do, and it's not easy.
I know everyone on here likes to deal in black and whites. "Cut off their benefits!", "Send them to prison until they're fixed!", etc, thankfully no-one here to my knowledge is in any real position of power. Or if they are they view things as consequences, and not just actions. I think your last sentence tells me a lot about your position regarding this, I don't think you have anything more to hear from me on the matter
The interviewer teases the man that his days are numbered. It's not nice the way she talks down to him. She probably rakes in £60k+ a year and has lived a privileged life.
So she his days are numbered, do you think the government will really do anything?
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There are too many people having children who don't have the means to raise them properly. Perhaps some kind of procreation license is in order. Obviously this would be unworkable, for the time being, but I still think it's a good idea.
They would but I still don't want to pay people to get them to follow the same rules the rest of us have to follow.
Isn't that what we already do (albeit not very well)? Someone is locked up until they are deemed suitable to be released.
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Why should he be given anything at all, im sorry but NO one can live on £65 a week to provide a roof over your head, with fuel, and food, and two kids his having a laugh, he is entitled to nothing and thats what he should be given.
He contributes nothing to society at all, he didnt even say something like I carry out voluntary work, I find it shocking that anyone on here can defend him at all.
Nothing has ever been free, in the old days in return for a roof and food you worked the land for someone else, the days of a free ride need to end.
We all have to make choices, me and my wife would like a 3rd child, but to do that we need a bigger house, I cant afford a bigger house so we dont have a 3rd kid, others who get a free ride will churn out another kid without concern and get an automatically upgraded bigger house.
They may cap the benefits at £24k but the people will still get massively reduced rent and Council Tax, which means even for someone like me earning £35k a year I will still be more out of pocket them then each month.
He contributes nothing to society at all, he didnt even say something like I carry out voluntary work, I find it shocking that anyone on here can defend him at all.
Nothing has ever been free, in the old days in return for a roof and food you worked the land for someone else, the days of a free ride need to end.
We all have to make choices, me and my wife would like a 3rd child, but to do that we need a bigger house, I cant afford a bigger house so we dont have a 3rd kid, others who get a free ride will churn out another kid without concern and get an automatically upgraded bigger house.
They may cap the benefits at £24k but the people will still get massively reduced rent and Council Tax, which means even for someone like me earning £35k a year I will still be more out of pocket them then each month.
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He seems to miss the point though.
It's not just £65 a week that the taxpayer is funding. They are also funding those libraries he goes to, the roads he uses to get there, the street lights that let him get home at night, the rubbish collections that mean the streets are clear of rubbish, the hospitals that will look after him and his family when ill etc etc etc
His burden to society is massively higher than £65 a week. The harm people like him do collectively is that the rest of the country who do work, have to work a significant amount harder/longer every week to fund his "choice" not to work.
As a society we do support those who through misfortune are unable to support themselves, but should that include those who rather being unable to contribute instead choose not to contribute to society? In this case I don't think it should!
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And lets not forget I am pretty sure his two kids will grow up the same, severe lack of education to start with, I am in a house I cant really afford as it provides the best school in West Sussex, as I want the best for my kids in the future.
And all those going on about more crime, I would rather all these benefits got stopped and more Police got put on the streets, its because of lazy tool's like this that coppers are loseing jobs.
And all those going on about more crime, I would rather all these benefits got stopped and more Police got put on the streets, its because of lazy tool's like this that coppers are loseing jobs.
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