I don't want a job
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I'm not sure why he doesn't want a job but personally I can sympathise 
I want to contribute, I want to be active and to be busy. But faced with the prospect of 35 hour weeks working in a shop or stacking shelves, having only an hour or two to yourself each night and dreading Monday when you have the weekend off...to me that's not living and I'd rather put a bullet in my head.
The vast majority of employment is like the example mention above, very few people are lucky enough to do something of any real substance and fulfilment.
I have no idea how people do it and the very fact we have a society built around such unnatural and monotonous existences is depressing.
I want to contribute, I want to be active and to be busy. But faced with the prospect of 35 hour weeks working in a shop or stacking shelves, having only an hour or two to yourself each night and dreading Monday when you have the weekend off...to me that's not living and I'd rather put a bullet in my head.The vast majority of employment is like the example mention above, very few people are lucky enough to do something of any real substance and fulfilment.
I have no idea how people do it and the very fact we have a society built around such unnatural and monotonous existences is depressing.
It doesn't have to be all doom and gloom.
I spend about 9 hours a day pulling pints and cleaning up after drunks and in return I get paid £5.93 an hour. But I also get a sense of self worth that I didn't have when I was unemployed.
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But if we don't dispose of them, what do we do with them? we can't deposit them in some other country, without being forced to pay for them, we cannot lock them up in camps without having to provide facilities and guards and the such, which basically leaves state-sanctioned euthanasia.. It would solve unemployment, housing, the tax burden, overcrowding, traffic issues, crime.. where's the downside.. really.. All you need, is a couple of guys, a few boxes of ammo, at each jobcentre, and as they come in to sign.. a bullet to the back of the skull, the bodies could then be harvested for organs, and the waste carcasses burnt to make power for those of us that actually do something useful.
Oh yeah, and while we are at it.. students should be put on food rations as well, they are supposed to be at university to study, not to 'party' and spend half their time drinking..
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The kind of life students expect to be handed to them on a silver platter just because they are at uni is a joke.
Most of them seem to live better than I do, and I have a full-time job.
Not all students have a load of disposable cash.. i met a bloke that lived on about 8 quid a week... poor sod (not in the literal sense but generally) One night a week he might go to the SU bar and splash out on a 75p pint.. Sad really. #
Anyway student life is all about "Live now, Pay later" so is most of life to some extent isn't it ???
Anyway student life is all about "Live now, Pay later" so is most of life to some extent isn't it ???
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except that when they were told that they were actually going to have to 'pay later' they got all ****y about it and went to protest over how totally unfair it was and how they shouldnt have to pay for it at all..
To be fair she EARNS that 'privileged' life!
Surely there is plenty of free land in this country where he could live in a tent. He could catch fish and wild animals for food. Who needs health care when you live in the wild beat the system!
Seriously why would someone "kick someone's head in" who lived in a tent? Just curious.
I don't know if there's ANY free land in this country.
Why would anyone kick someone's head in? I dunno, but it happens to lots of people for no apparant reason. But I'm sure matey here would expect the police to attend if it (or something like it) happened.
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There is NO free land in this country, it was all claimed by the crown and the government long ago, so there is nowhere in the country that a person could 'legally' set up a freehold without some responsibility to another to let them. Catching fish without a license is illegal, and trapping wild animals without landowners permission, is poaching, again illegal. The closest that you can get to this are certain 'eco' comunes in certain parts of the country, and even those are still liable to various government departments.
The only reason that survivalists work in the states, is that it is such a large country compared to most others, that keeping track of everyone is near impossible, and costs far too much. In our little backwater country, its quite simple, you cannot do anything without the government having said that it is okay, and if they haven't, then there is a law against it. Either way, you are under the thumb.
Personally, if I could, I'd blow this popsicle stand and move elsewhere, but pretty much everywhere else that I could go, all I would be doing is changing the scenery, the rules are pretty much the same.
There was a time when you could find a bit of land to work, and work it, and forget the wider world, unfortuantly, that was scrapped following the norman conquest.
The only reason that survivalists work in the states, is that it is such a large country compared to most others, that keeping track of everyone is near impossible, and costs far too much. In our little backwater country, its quite simple, you cannot do anything without the government having said that it is okay, and if they haven't, then there is a law against it. Either way, you are under the thumb.
Personally, if I could, I'd blow this popsicle stand and move elsewhere, but pretty much everywhere else that I could go, all I would be doing is changing the scenery, the rules are pretty much the same.
There was a time when you could find a bit of land to work, and work it, and forget the wider world, unfortuantly, that was scrapped following the norman conquest.
And so she should talk down to him, he is a leech sucking the life blood from the tax payer.
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You know, I'm getting bored of this thread now, I'll be back in a month or two for the next thread to be posted, when the mass media publishes another article pointing out that some people are scum and that the rest of us are like totally awesome..
Meanwhile, I'll be in other threads..
Meanwhile, I'll be in other threads..
I'm not sure why he doesn't want a job but personally I can sympathise
The vast majority of employment is like the example mention above, very few people are lucky enough to do something of any real substance and fulfilment.
I have no idea how people do it and the very fact we have a society built around such unnatural and monotonous existences is depressing.
I used to think like this. I got my job 2 years ago in a little shop with a Post Office added onto it. I hated it for a year, however now I feel the benifits, I no longer have "omg I hate doing this, I'd rather be at home" mentality throughout my shifts and I've even started to look forward to going to work.
However I still live at home, and there is no way I'll be able to afford to move out any time soon on the minimum wage. I will never even dream of taking the cheap and easy way out of quitting my job and applying for benefits again as IMO it made me a worse person and I hated myself for it EVERY DAY. People who choose this way of life have no self worth, I can't see any way in which they could be proud of themselves.
4bn a year?
That adds up to more than 4bn to me! plus all the money to admin it!
http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/b00yjtg2
Yes, I re-listened to the discussion. GEORGE MONBIOT said that the benefit fraud costs 1.1bn, tax evasion costs 42bn. He reckons some economists think tax evasion might be as high as 120bn. He compares fraud and evasion, one being illegal and the other legal.
There is a difference though, one is money we don't get, the other is money we give out pointlessly.
I can't blame companies and people evading tax as frankly our tax rate is far too high for the services that we do get.
As for only talking about benefit fraud, I'd rather go further than that and talk about benefits period. We spend the same on the welfare system (no nhs included) as we get in income tax, and that is just not financially prudent
I can't blame companies and people evading tax as frankly our tax rate is far too high for the services that we do get.
As for only talking about benefit fraud, I'd rather go further than that and talk about benefits period. We spend the same on the welfare system (no nhs included) as we get in income tax, and that is just not financially prudent
What do you propose?
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One thing I hate is managers spending money on junk products or products that just are not needed just because they think they have a right to spend it and it's not theirs they don't care. When it's your own money you care.
Complete rethink of the system, changing it to purely stamp based, getting rid of tax credits and instead using negative taxation (as Dolph advocates).
Complete rethink of what services the state needs to provide, also ensuring that whatever it does provide is done efficiently.
Like the Olympics?