I Got Angry Yesterday

[FincH]

It wasn't the thread starter that did it.

Why exactly doesn't he have the authority to do that?

That wasn't aimed at the thread starter, it was just a general comment.

 

[Mr Spew]

Yeah, because I wouldn't have got involved in the first place.




I don't agree. The security people are there for a reason, to deal with idiots etc. Adn with the "You think you're in some sort of position to tell me what I can and can't do" comment, doesn't that totaly go with what I said about people sticking their nose in to other peoples situations?



Erm probably becuase if a group of blokes had said the comment to the Jewish lad I can be pretty certain the thread starter and his mate wouldn't have got involved, but becuase it was some lad they did.

I'd say that makes you a coward for not standing up for that lad then.

The security people were laughing at the kids too, didn't you read that? The security were laughing with the kids making the racist/hateful comments.

People sticking their noses in. The "other people" were two Jewish KIDS, of course people are going to intervene.

Yeah, of course if a bunch of blokes did it people wouldn't get involved, because they knew they could handle some obnoxious little idiots - you wouldn't?

Well, it's obvious you wouldn't from your comments so far, if it doesn't affect you, just ignore it eh?

 

[panthro]

No. You're the one who should take it to an authority who can deal with it. But fine, take it on yourself and if you go Policing every bad situation you see or hear you'll soon end up wishing you hadn't in my opinion. Don't get me wrong, I'm not saying people shouldn't stick up for themselves, by all means do, but I think it's wrong for people to get involved in situations like that when there were security gaurds (one may have been a moron but you could have approached the other one in a nicer manner. No need to stoop to his level) present who could have acted accordingly.



Yes, why not do that. Why say something back? That's what they want. They want you to say something hoping something kicks off. No point fighting fire with fire. Honestly, next time someone calls you a silly little name, try walking on by.



We are a gorup of stacked blokes who stick up for ourselves as long as it's little ***** kids we're elbowing in the head. Nice.

Like Mr Spew said, I dont leave it to the police to govern every single action I make. Re read the post, I didnt elbow anyone.

I will get you wrong because you have contradicted yourself:

Don't get me wrong, I'm not saying people shouldn't stick up for themselves, by all means do,.

Yes, why not do that. Why say something back? That's what they want. They want you to say something hoping something kicks off. No point fighting fire with fire. Honestly, next time someone calls you a silly little name, try walking on by.

If someone calls me or anyone else a racist name, I will stand up. Its not my problem you are a doormat that will let people talk to you however they feel. You may be able to sit there and take abuse from people, but I wont. I had to endure it at school, and I am now at point of not tolerating it one bit.

There is a big difference in a silly name, and a name that incites racial hatred.

 

[FincH]

I'd say that makes you a coward for not standing up for that lad then.

The security people were laughing at the kids too, didn't you read that? The security were laughing with the kids making the racist/hateful comments.

People sticking their noses in. The "other people" were two Jewish KIDS, of course people are going to intervene.

Yeah, of course if a bunch of blokes did it people wouldn't get involved, because they knew they could handle some obnoxious little idiots - you wouldn't?

Well, it's obvious you wouldn't from your comments so far, if it doesn't affect you, just ignore it eh?

He said "a couple" so there were obviously more than two security gaurds for the whole of the Gumball and I already pointes out above about their behaviour, or "didn't you read that?".

If it was such a big deal, why didn't the lads mum and dad do something about it?

No I probably wouldn't. Maybe because I'm laid back and can't be doing with confrontation, I don't know. I just don't see why people have to get involved in such petty things that can then follow on to other, more serious things.

Like if I'm in town on a night out and someone is being an idiot, I'll go and get a bouncer or the Police. It doesn't matter if they're smaller than me, or bigger than me, I'm just not going to take matters into my own hands.

 

[panthro]

Erm probably becuase if a group of blokes had said the comment to the Jewish lad I can be pretty certain the thread starter and his mate wouldn't have got involved, but becuase it was some lad they did.

Dont be so sure of yourself. It wouldnt have made a blind bit of difference who said it. My main reaction was towards the security guard, a part which you seem to neglect. I still would have done what I did.

 

[panthro]

He said "a couple" so there were obviously more than two security gaurds for the whole of the Gumball and I already pointes out above about their behaviour, or "didn't you read that?".

If it was such a big deal, why didn't the lads mum and dad do something about it?

No I probably wouldn't. Maybe because I'm laid back and can't be doing with confrontation, I don't know. I just don't see why people have to get involved in such petty things that can then follow on to other, more serious things.

Like if I'm in town on a night out and someone is being an idiot, I'll go and get a bouncer or the Police. It doesn't matter if they're smaller than me, or bigger than me, I'm just not going to take matters into my own hands.

Just because people dont do what you think is right, it doesnt mean everyone else is wrong.

You dont like confrontation. Fair enough. Not everyone is you though.

 

[Mr Spew]

He said "a couple" so there were obviously more than two security gaurds for the whole of the Gumball and I already pointes out above about their behaviour, or "didn't you read that?".

If it was such a big deal, why didn't the lads mum and dad do something about it?

No I probably wouldn't. Maybe because I'm laid back and can't be doing with confrontation, I don't know. I just don't see why people have to get involved in such petty things that can then follow on to other, more serious things.

Like if I'm in town on a night out and someone is being an idiot, I'll go and get a bouncer or the Police. It doesn't matter if they're smaller than me, or bigger than me, I'm just not going to take matters into my own hands.

What's your point? Other security guards won't do anything, they're on the same level (rank).

I don't know, why the heck are you asking me?

Laid back - you mean lazy, ignorant and won't stick up for basic human rights, despite them just being kids.

You don't see why people have to get involved?! Ignorance is evidentely bliss in your world. Racism is fine, it doesn't affect me, la la la! This COULD lead to something more, the kids could keep being racist little arses, and this could lead to more serious things, whether at the time of the incident or later on in life. They could be lead to believe that since no one said or did anything about their comments, that it's fine to do so (even in public).

You just said you'd ignore them though. If it's on a night out (which really isn't comparable), of course I'd tell a bouncer or policeman.

 

[FincH]

Like Mr Spew said, I dont leave it to the police to govern every single action I make. Re read the post, I didnt elbow anyone.

Where did I say you had to let the Police govern what you do? I said you should have let the Police or security deal with it. If the nearest gaurds were laughing, go and find some different security gaurds and let them know of the situation.

I will get you wrong because you have contradicted yourself:

You will get me wrong? k :/

But yes, that isn;t a contradiction, I'm simply saying you can go in all guns blazing, but it's probably not going to get matters solved.

If someone calls me or anyone else a racist name, I will stand up. Its not my problem you are a doormat that will let people talk to you however they feel. You may be able to sit there and take abuse from people, but I wont. I had to endure it at school, and I am now at point of not tolerating it one bit.

I'm a doormat? Pmsl. Soz Robocop. No, I'm just not acting Captain Planet.

Na but seriosuly, I'd rather be the bigger man and walk away from a situation that just isn't worth it.

 

[FincH]

Dont be so sure of yourself. It wouldnt have made a blind bit of difference who said it. My main reaction was towards the security guard, a part which you seem to neglect. I still would have done what I did.

Ok fair enough, but I can't see how that makes you and your friend any better for what you did (swearing and hitting a lad).

 

[FincH]

What's your point? Other security guards won't do anything, they're on the same level (rank)

So eery single security gaurd as far as the eye could see was laughing at the Jewish kid?

Laid back - you mean lazy, ignorant and won't stick up for basic human rights, despite them just being kids

Yes, I'm lazy. Never done a hard days work in my life. Live off the dole. Never helped an old lady across the road, that's me. More like I know my place in society and know how to act in a calm way oblivious of situation.

You don't see why people have to get involved?! Ignorance is evidentely bliss in your world. Racism is fine, it doesn't affect me, la la la! This COULD lead to something more, the kids could keep being racist little arses, and this could lead to more serious things, whether at the time of the incident or later on in life. They could be lead to believe that since no one said or did anything about their comments, that it's fine to do so (even in public).

So every time you see some people fighting you butt in and stop them?

I'm sure they were little brats, so why not let them get a proper telling off?

And I never said ignore the whole situation, I said don't take iot on yourself to try and resolve it.

You just said you'd ignore them though. If it's on a night out (which really isn't comparable), of course I'd tell a bouncer or policeman.

No, if someone said something like that to me, I'd ignore it, or go to someone of proper authority.

 

[panthro]

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I dont know why you have to keep justifying yourself, because I couldnt care less what you think. Matters were solved, the guys being abusive walked off and the security guard got belittled by me.

If your happy to let people make racist comments to children and have it pass you by, then fine. Thats you. You might not think that the situation was not worth it, but what do you know anyway? I dont remember you being there.

I stand up for what I believe, and I stand against things that I do not believe. I dont believe that people should be allowed to get away with making comments like that to children.

Yes, there may have been other ways round it, like yours: I will just pretend it didnt happen. My way had more effect though.

 

[FincH]

I dont know why you have to keep justifying yourself, because I couldnt care less what you think. Matters were solved, the guys being abusive walked off and the security guard got belittled by me.

If your happy to let people make racist comments to children and have it pass you by, then fine. Thats you. You might not think that the situation was not worth it, but what do you know anyway? I dont remember you being there.

I stand up for what I believe, and I stand against things that I do not believe. I dont believe that people should be allowed to get away with making comments like that to children.

Yes, there may have been other ways round it, like yours: I will just pretend it didnt happen. My way had more effect though.

Ah so you don't care what I think, yet you've made about 10 posts trying to conflict what I'm saying. Ok.

I've never said it's ok to make racist comments. If you actualy read what I said, I said it wasn't a nice comment to make and that I'd have gone to an authority figure to get it sorted if I felt it needed sorting.

At the end of the day, yes I wasn't there, but one stupid young lad who probally doesn't even know what a Jew is, made a comment and then you took it on yourself to try and lay down some justice.

How do you know your way had more effect when you didn't try "my way"?

 

[panthro]

How do you know your way had more effect when you didn't try "my way"?

because nothing would have happened!

 

[FincH]

because nothing would have happened!

Well. We'll never know.

 

[panthro]

Well. We'll never know.

thats true. But at least I will be able to go to sleep now, knowing that I didnt stand there and do nothing. Good night

 

[Mr Spew]

Yes, I'm lazy. Never done a hard days work in my life. Live off the dole. Never helped an old lady across the road, that's me. More like I know my place in society and know how to act in a calm way oblivious of situation.

Act calm? Hahaha. You just said you wouldn't act, you'd be completely ignorant of it. You know your place in society - being someone that actively does nothing about racism.

So every time you see some people fighting you butt in and stop them?

I'm sure they were little brats, so why not let them get a proper telling off?

And I never said ignore the whole situation, I said don't take iot on yourself to try and resolve it.

No, because I'm not great in fights, what has that to do with anything?

A proper telling off? Why are you saying "so why not"? IT WASN'T ME THERE. Christ on a bike. I'd have acted differently (wouldn't have hit the kid), but the outcome would have been the same, told the kids off and belittled the security guards.

Yes you did, you said you know your place in society and to ignore them. Ignorance breeds contempt.

No, if someone said something like that to me, I'd ignore it, or go to someone of proper authority.

To you, not to others. As if something doesn't happen to you, it doesn't matter, it's not your problem and not worth your time.

 

[pyro]

I don't get it, if someone called a random kid a dirty **** Orthodox, he would probably get told to **** off, why beat the dude up?

Oh well, some must be manly I guess

 

[Mr Spew]

Ah so you don't care what I think, yet you've made about 10 posts trying to conflict what I'm saying. Ok.

I've never said it's ok to make racist comments. If you actualy read what I said, I said it wasn't a nice comment to make and that I'd have gone to an authority figure to get it sorted if I felt it needed sorting.

At the end of the day, yes I wasn't there, but one stupid young lad who probally doesn't even know what a Jew is, made a comment and then you took it on yourself to try and lay down some justice.

How do you know your way had more effect when you didn't try "my way"?

No you didn't, you said you'd ignore it, which does nothing but make the hateful kids think they're in the right.

It wasn't just one stupid lad there though, it was a group of them.

Your way was doing nothing, it was 'ignoring' them and letting them get one with their inciting - if anything that could have escalated into the Jewish lads getting a kicking, or the kids walking away afterwards thinking they were right by saying that since the authority figures agreed with them.

 

[squiffy]

That guard was well out of line.
But so were you when you started shouting at him, very yobbish
Nor when your friend smacked him one (incredibly yobbish) . What if he was knocked unconscious, or starting to have a fit, hospitalized or died? Or parents/bystanders phones police? Wouldn't your friend be charged with child abuse/ABH? I take it your friend was over 16? Hitting the head with a elbow is not safe, he should have smacked a fleshy part of his arm.

Getting into fights when you're young is one thing....

 

[panthro]

But so were you when you started shouting at him, very yobbish
....

Yeah, I love acting like a yob when I shout at people for laughing at racist abuse.......

I cant stay away from this thread, I really need to go to bed. (poet).

Im not posting in here anymore. I have made my points, decisions etc, and I am happy with them.

Racism on any level is not right and should never be condoned. Dont stand by and let it happen. Do something about it.