I HAVE PROOF THAT WITH WINDOWS 10 FREE UPGRADE IS CRAP

But even if this Windows 10 version expires, you still have a Windows 7 key you can use for Windows 7, no?

I have a 5GHz capable (I run it a 4.6GHz daily) i7 2700K at the moment, and I do not intend to upgrade for a while. But when whatever comes after socket 1150 arrives...
 
Acme said:
But even if this Windows 10 version expires, you still have a Windows 7 key you can use for Windows 7, no
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Yes. Remember this free upgrade is a limited time offer. Which could well be extended/repeated. Even if it is not they would then offer a lower cost upgrade license. Clearly there is no point offering that option now.
 
I think if you use the phone activation you should be able to reset the hardware identifier and reactivate it on the Mobo.

The stink of telling us to get lost and pay £140 is NOT going to go down well, rest assured, imo, it will be fine. Just a little extra legwork when you need to change mobo.
 
The MS customer support team are utterly useless, I've already been able to establish that by speaking to them about the odd previous Windows issue that I couldn't work out and couldn't find a sufficient answer for online. They seem to be based somewhere like India/Pakistan and clearly haven't got a clue what they are talking about, most of them just read from a script and if they can't answer your question they put you on hold while they find out the answer.

I might criticise Apple as a company sometimes but their in-store Genius support is at least English and mostly quite knowledgeable about Apple products.
 
can't see it mentioned...
what happens if the motherboard fails and you need a replacement, I'd assume that's the same as win 8 in that it's fine.

Also if it's tied to the bios like the rep says what happens when the bios gets updated (not on about laptops I'm thinking desktop), it could be seen as a new motherboard because it could generate a new ID depending on how it's generated....
 
The faq for activation does mention 10 now.

https://support.microsoft.com/en-us/kb/950929

However it doesnt mention what we all want to know about if this can be used for a change of hardware :(

Windows 10

To start Product Activation:
Go to Start, then select Settings, choose Update & security, and then select Activation.
If your device is not activated, the Activate by phone option will be available.
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Skeeter said:
Hi

Welcome to like.... months ago?

Your 7 or 8.1 Retail remains transferable, but the 10 is tied to the Mobo.

I thought everyone knew this? We have been saying it in the Windows 10 thread since forever?
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Every time a new MS os is released it is always speculated that this is the os where they finally block hardware changes forever....

Never happens for retail as it's not in MS's interests to make like difficult for private licences as general familiarity of their os in general population is what drives businesses to licence their products which is where the real money is.
 
We are getting something for free to work on our existing machines, regardless of whether you have OEM or Retail versions of previous Windows versions. If you need to update the MOBO it's worth a call to MS if it fails auto-activation to see if they will allow you to use the licence for it - they may allow you (as I have found before with Win7). It'll be worth explaining if you upgraded from Retail if they don't already see that logged.

I don't think it's fair to say "it's crap" until you have tried to re-activate after it's failed activation. OEM licences are usually meant for the same device - but PC definition of the same PC can vary :). If you change the motherboard, CPU and memory is it a new PC?. I once had an issue with a Mobo under Win 7 OEM (I think, or XP) and a call to MS resolved the activation issue even though I took the time to also upgrade the CPU and memory and told them that honestly.
If MS are not releasing new versions then maybe they will be tighter on what is a new device.
 
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You do have a flair for drama Ace ;)

When I changed my retail 8 install from a HTPC that was scrapped I then used it on a HP server. It would not register as it had been "recognised" as being on a different system (maybe similar ID method as 10..?) so a telephone call and an activation code entered, as well as a confirmation that I'm only using it on one machine, and I'm good to go.

I couldn't see Windows 10 being any different from what I noted above, except that now I should not need to enter a key in the first place.
 
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