I just can't be bothered anymore tbh

Pighardia

Pighardia

Pighardia

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I just need a bit of a moan really.......:p

To start I want to say I am not a Man City fan;) Anyway......

I watch and play a hell of a lot of football, always have, but recently I don't think I have been able to enjoy watching a game on TV, regulations/referees have completely ruined it for me unfortunately:(

I turned off the Man Utd game after Kompany got sent off for whatever reason(refs do not need one of course) as it was obviously going to ruin it. (not necessarily the game, but it made it unfair)

I just can't stand the whole system where referees can seemingly do whatever they want, and then you can't say anything about it or you get cautioned!!! I have a big problem with the awarding of Red/Yellow cards, I have very rarely seen a red card that I have agreed with, but after it is given there is nothing you can do about it either .

I think the root of the problem lies in the organizations, it is like they WANT the game to be corrupt and unfair, if a team scored 5 perfectly good goals in a game, a ref could simply disallow them all giving a reason such as "i saw a push" or whatever, ok he might be disciplined in some way, but the game would not be replayed. (obviously this is exaggerated, i'm not saying this is likely to happen;))
Also, I hate the way that players get cautioned for swearing etc or complaining to the ref, you might not agree, but I think that they have every right to complain so long as referees are not getting decisions right, it is like the people who make the rules do not realize how important the games are. I have had referees caution me for a good tackle or if there is no contact before, had goals disallowed and it is incredibly frustrating!


The thing that really annoys me is the regulations which have nothing to do with football, the ref is supposed to ensure the game runs smoothly etc, it is not about him! yellow cards for complaining to the ref, showing dissent, throwing the ball away(can't they find another one:confused:?), taking your shirt off, IT IS NOTHING TO DO WITH FOOTBALL!!



So I am going to stop watching football for a while, I would obviously like some form of video assistance for referees during a game, but that is far too sensible of course. Until that happens, it just isn't football anymore:(


/rant. sorry


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Every football fan knows refs don't even watch the game, if they actually did there job properly, who would the fans moan at then? I'm watching the Wednesday game at the moment and the refs missing loads
 
If some form of video assistance was added then many would also say it is not football anymore and start banging on about the old days where people got kicked all over the pitch and were never booked.
 
Refereeing is almost an impossibl thing to do. You have no hindsight ability, and have to make a call immediately with very little help. With regards to today's match, I initially thought it was a read card until I saw the replays. I do feel that the decision was partially justified as I felt Kompany had both feet off the ground, and it could easily be perceived as reckless.

The players know the rules, and as such shouldn't put themselves into positions whereby they can get sent off.

That said, I think referee's are far too quick to make decisions based on the standard of play, rather than what actually happens. Same goes for linesmen. Sometimes you can see that they're about to get the call wrong, they know they're about to get it wrong, but still they make the decision based on a standard outcome from the play (particularly with regards to throw-ins resulting from tackles and blocks, which sometimes should obviously be the defending team's ball, but the as the defender has made the challenge the decision goes against him).
 
As if you're going to give up watching football in the season you might actually win the league for the first time in forever, just because you won't win the FA Cup. Give over. :o

Jay794 said:
Every football fan knows refs don't even watch the game, if they actually did there job properly, who would the fans moan at then? I'm watching the Wednesday game at the moment and the refs missing loads
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I bet you any amount of money you'd be worse.

It's the TV companies fault we think refs are so bad. We have all the power of replays and angles and slow-motion to arrive at what is actually the correct decision. Refs don't. And they won't, as long as they're not given the same use of technology we do.

I'd love to see Sky/ITV show a game where they don't replay anything. Just to see how many decisions people at home get equally wrong.

I remember an Arsenal game a few weeks back where I was certain Mertesacker had gone clean through an opposing player and deserved a yellow card. I screamed "OH FOR **** SAKE MERT" at the TV. Ref agreed with me and carded him. On the replay, it turned out it was actually a perfect tackle, and he shouldn't have had anything against him. I didn't get it right, and neither did the ref, but is that really his fault? Modern TV of course says yes, but it's really not.
 
Pighardia said:
I just need a bit of a moan really.......:p
I turned off the Man Utd game after Kompany got sent off for whatever reason(refs do not need one of course) as it was obviously going to ruin it. (not necessarily the game, but it made it unfair)

I just can't stand the whole system where referees can seemingly do whatever they want, and then you can't say anything about it or you get cautioned!!! I have a big problem with the awarding of Red/Yellow cards, I have very rarely seen a red card that I have agreed with, but after it is given there is nothing you can do about it either .
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You're going to stop watching because a referee got a decision right? How strange!
 
Weebull said:
As if you're going to give up watching football in the season you might actually win the league for the first time in forever, just because you won't win the FA Cup. Give over. :o
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I do not support Man City;) I have no allegiances to any Premiership clubs(though I do quite like Spurs)
It's the TV companies fault we think refs are so bad. We have all the power of replays and angles and slow-motion to arrive at what is actually the correct decision. Refs don't. And they won't, as long as they're not given the same use of technology we do.
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Well that is my point, I am not necessarily blaming referees for the bad decisions, but so long as they do not get video help, players certainly should not be cautioned for dissent/complaining to them. I wouldn't complain if, before making a decision on a sending off, a ref quickly asked the 4th official or someone to go over it and tell him if it should be a sending off or not(same with goals imo)

I didn't get it right, and neither did the ref, but is that really his fault? Modern TV of course says yes, but it's really not.
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It is not about fault, it is about having a fair game.

Maybe my OP does not come across as I intended, I was not trying to moan at referees individually making bad decisions, it was more at the whole state of the game where the whole situation is placed in the hands of a ref who gets very little help to make the decision. who can then not be criticized when he gets it wrong.

mike62 said:
You're going to stop watching because a referee got a decision right? How strange!
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Obviously not just because of the Kompany decision(i am not even disputing whether the ref made the right decision or not, it is in the rules, apparently that deserves a red card, that is ridiculous imo). I am fed up with seeing goals wrongly dissalowed, yellow/red cards wrongly given, surely everyone is:confused:?
 
Pighardia said:
I do not support Man City;) I have no allegiances to any Premiership clubs(though I do quite like Spurs)
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Oh aye, so you said. Could have sworn I read that as "I am a Man City fan". :o

I guess we're in agreement about the rest though. I'd much rather see technology that helps the ref introduced, but until then, I'm not sure what can be done. As far as I'm aware, managers can formally complain about refs to the FA, can't they? I don't see why we have this need to drag everything through the press in English football.
 
Pighardia said:
I just need a bit of a moan really.......:p

To start I want to say I am not a Man City fan;) Anyway......

I watch and play a hell of a lot of football, always have, but recently I don't think I have been able to enjoy watching a game on TV, regulations/referees have completely ruined it for me unfortunately:(

I turned off the Man Utd game after Kompany got sent off for whatever reason(refs do not need one of course) as it was obviously going to ruin it. (not necessarily the game, but it made it unfair)

I just can't stand the whole system where referees can seemingly do whatever they want, and then you can't say anything about it or you get cautioned!!! I have a big problem with the awarding of Red/Yellow cards, I have very rarely seen a red card that I have agreed with, but after it is given there is nothing you can do about it either .

I think the root of the problem lies in the organizations, it is like they WANT the game to be corrupt and unfair, if a team scored 5 perfectly good goals in a game, a ref could simply disallow them all giving a reason such as "i saw a push" or whatever, ok he might be disciplined in some way, but the game would not be replayed. (obviously this is exaggerated, i'm not saying this is likely to happen;))
Also, I hate the way that players get cautioned for swearing etc or complaining to the ref, you might not agree, but I think that they have every right to complain so long as referees are not getting decisions right, it is like the people who make the rules do not realize how important the games are. I have had referees caution me for a good tackle or if there is no contact before, had goals disallowed and it is incredibly frustrating!


The thing that really annoys me is the regulations which have nothing to do with football, the ref is supposed to ensure the game runs smoothly etc, it is not about him! yellow cards for complaining to the ref, showing dissent, throwing the ball away(can't they find another one:confused:?), taking your shirt off, IT IS NOTHING TO DO WITH FOOTBALL!!



So I am going to stop watching football for a while, I would obviously like some form of video assistance for referees during a game, but that is far too sensible of course. Until that happens, it just isn't football anymore:(


/rant. sorry


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If you had no vested interest you wouldn't have posted this.
 
Pighardia said:
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Vested interest in what?

If you mean the Utd/City game then I didn't, if anything I wanted Utd to win.
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Its quite common for 10 men (especially of the quality City have available) to work harder and be more effective than 11 , so you only (imo) stopped yourself from enjoying a good game

Yes the red card was wrongly brought out - but Utd were given harsh yellows (probably because of the harsh red) and a blatant penalty wasnt awarded to Utd either, so it MORE than evened itself out

Personally prefer human error (even the pen that Newcastle got awarded wrongly against Utd earlier in teh season) than technology constantly being referred to because its available.....and hence a lot more stopping and starting and no natural flow to a game

a good balancing act when/if instant replay's are allowed for ref's to make decisions will be required , but will take some time to come about imo
 
Yeah I would not like be a ref, I play and watch loads of football but it is difficult even running the line for my amateur team never mind trying to call every foul correctly.

I also disagree with technology use during the game, I think some margin of error and no stops is part of the excitement of football.

But I do think there could be other changes made to the game. If the ref is respected by the players then he is less noticable in the game. I think the FA should be punishing players who abuse the ref after the game (I'm fairly neutral to English teams but Rooney leaps to front of my mind with this one). I would abolish the taking your shirt off after scoring rule. But keep the kicking the ball away as timewasting is a bad thing. I also don't think there should be hard and fast rules about tackling, i.e. studs are up, two feet are used, player is off the ground - it's a straight red etc. I think the game is too soft now so if players fall over they get a free-kick for almost nothing.

Obviously if something is too dangerous or malicious it should be dealt with.
 
Thing is there is no consensus that it wasnt a red card. a Lot of people think it was. Some think it was a harsh red, some thing it was a good tackle, those are the ones who confuse me the most.
 
davestar_delux said:
Yeah I would not like be a ref, I play and watch loads of football but it is difficult even running the line for my amateur team never mind trying to call every foul correctly.
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Yeah I had a game as a linesman once(years ago), couldn't wait for it to end tbh. It isn't easy with everything moving so fast, and this was a crappy sunday league game(actually not even that iirc), imagine the premiership!:eek:

I also disagree with technology use during the game, I think some margin of error and no stops is part of the excitement of football.
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I just want a fair game really, teams work hard to try and score more goals than the other team, a ref can disallow it and that is the end of it, it just isn't right imo.

But keep the kicking the ball away as timewasting is a bad thing.
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Agree with everything except this, there is another ball on the pitch in seconds, I don't care if a player throws the ball away in frustration(or just bounces it a bit forcefully, that's the worst one!), it is frustrating having decisions go against you.


Oh and the thing about technology stopping and starting the game too much, for goals at least you see about 5 replays by the time they have kicked off again so i don't see the problem, I would at lest like it to be used for goals, penalty decisions and sendings off.
 
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Pighardia said:
Agree with everything except this, there is another ball on the pitch in seconds, I don't care if a player throws the ball away in frustration(or just bounces it a bit forcefully, that's the worst one!), it is frustrating having decisions go against you.
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In the Premiership maybe where they have lots of balls and ball-boys and it's all done well.

Sometimes away in Europe, they deliberately don't have a new ball for a long time in a quite cynical fashion if they are winning.

Buy yeah I don't disagree with you with the frustration examples.
 
It was a red card. Just because he didn't break someone's leg doesn't mean it wasn't a red. He was flying through the air with both sets of studs up.
 
My best advice would be to read up on the most recent rules and realise you're the one that's wrong rather than the ref.
 
jakeke said:
My best advice would be to read up on the most recent rules and realise you're the one that's wrong rather than the ref.
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My best advice would be to read what I said
Pighardia said:
Obviously not just because of the Kompany decision(i am not even disputing whether the ref made the right decision or not, it is in the rules, apparently that deserves a red card, that is ridiculous imo).
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Technically it is a sending off, it is that which i find ridiculous. I also find it amusing that people are saying that if Nani didn't get out if the way, he could have gotten injured, you could say something similar about practically every tackle. The thing that annoys me is the blanket ruling that twofooted=sending off, can't they understand that every situation is different?

If that deserved a red card, every game I have ever played in would be abandoned!

btw, i realise that the OP might not quite have come across as I meant it to
 
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