I just can't be bothered anymore tbh

"if you have it at the prem level you MUST have it at conference south level"

Is their excuse, but as Ian Holloway point outs....who gives a crap about conference level?

Its only the championship/prem that gets the media hype so it would be very easy to use TV replays for them imo

(PS I do as I support Woking aswell :P)
 
DiCe! said:
Are you serious?

Its nothing to do with football? When millions of people watch matches and see that behaviour going on and think its acceptable? These people are "role models" I use the term loosely.

I want to see more yellows for swearing at the ref/throwing the ball away. they are adults. They should be able to conduct themselves properly, and quite frankly there is a massive massive lack of respect for other players and the refs in general.

But who would want to be a ref now days? it is a hiding to nothing, for 90 minutes you have a great game, send a player of in the 85 minute that tv replays later show wasnt a red and all that gets talked about is how they messed up. All that while getting abuse from 35k+ people every week?

I can see your point in some matches where refs ruin it, now I KNOW I am biased but the Stoke vs Spurs game is an example of where the ref actually ruined the game, but at the same time Kaboul got sent of for a 2nd yellow for ill discipline and im all for that, have a word with the ref by all means, dont tell him to get glasses!

I would prefer it was more like rugby. The player in question + the captain can talk to the ref, You can hear the mic so you know what is being said and they accept it.

your "rant" is a load of rubbish in my eyes.
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Indeed, there are other ways to express frustration then shouting abuse/swearing at the ref. Learn to control yourself OP, I don't want my kids to hear you shouting and swearing because you're a tad frustrated.
 
Elixir said:
Indeed, there are other ways to express frustration then shouting abuse/swearing at the ref. Learn to control yourself OP, I don't want my kids to hear you shouting and swearing because you're a tad frustrated.
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I should say that I have not and never would start insulting a ref during a game(or after, now I think of it). I am the most mild mannered person on our team. As I said earlier, I received a yellow card in a game a while ago for shouting FFS, it was not directed at anyone, if anything it was frustration at myself as I had given away a foul(I can't tackle to save my life).

And I agree, refs do a tough job and I would like to reiterate the statement I made earlier that I wasn't meaning to have a go at referees(despite how the OP might have come out), the bigger problem is that they are given no help at all, just a few seconds to make a potentially big decision after seeing an incident once. The frustration from me comes from the pov that it would be easily remedied with technology. Until then though, it seems to be set up in a way which guarantees mistakes, and no one seems to care about it. That is why I have a slight problem with severe punishment for dissent.

Someone mentioned Rugby as an example, i totally agree. On big decisions, if players knew that the ref(or assistant, whatever) was communicating with someone who had seen it in slo-mo etc, then there would be much less dissent and insulting refs, and any punishment should then be severe imo. As it is now though, a ref can make a big mistake and then punish a player for complaining about it, then the FA will punish the manager if he says anything, I don't like that.
 
Everyone has to put up with terrible ref's because the FA is a closed shop on the issue, there is no panel of review, no ability to constructively question the decisions or improve the situation and no way to ensure the problem doesn't happen again.

It only gets worse down the leagues as well, both the Brighton Southampton games were let down by shocking ref decisions that had some impact on the game (at home we had 2 pen's not given and 2 were the wrong way round and away Lambert was sent off for getting up...)

We had it worse against Bristol City with the ref giving their cb so much leeway with the possibility for a second yellow it was infuriating.

But there's no way to improve it, just watch a team play around the stupidity of ref's instead of abuse them and it'll be ok
 
Pighardia said:
That was ridiculous, Southampton would have murdered us in that game with 11 players, they battered us in the first half. He is certainly a handfull!
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He's one of the best players in the champ ;)

But yeah it was ridiculous, he's never been sent off in his career, never dives, gets fouled left right an centre and ref's give him some appalling treatment :(
 
Firstly, people are being daft, have you really never seen a ref tell a player to F off when asking for a foul that clearly wasn't?

Swearing is PART OF OUR LANGUAGE and has been since language began, ref's don't send people off for general swearing because ref's swear constantly all through games, not all ref's, but quite a lot. Because in normal life some people swear a lot and some people don't, people grow up in different area's and different cultures. I don't expect The Queen to be throwing the F word around "where's the ****** Butler gone, I need some more prawn sandwiches while I watch Arsenal get beaten again". But some players grow up with parents and friends that swear constantly and its simply a natural part of their language.

Parents or daft people who want to pretend swearing is only done by certain people and its stupidly easy to not swear are, deluding themselves. Its those same parents who go crazy over their kids having sex or getting drunk at the exact same age they did themselves.

There is a lot bad in football, and video replays would fix 90% of stuff within a couple months and anyone who thinks it would ruin football is just flat out illogical. There are plenty of reasons to hate football, and decisions in particular, but not all ref's.

There are, for me two woeful ref's, Foy is just terrible, and Dowd is a drama queen who slows down games constantly because he loves to after even a basic foul, call people over and talk them down while being on camera. This can be a basic foul the two players in question are laughing about but he insists on wasting a minute over it.

Other ref's will simply get bad decisions. Record yourselves watching a game one day, then play it back and be honest about how many decision on the fly, with a MUCH better angle than the ref, you call wrong and just pretend you didn't get wrong when you see the replay. How many times with a mate down the pub does one of your mates go "penalty, blatant penalty" and after the replay you laugh at him because it was no where near.

Ref's aren't infallible the same tackle can look a red from one angle and a perfect tackle from another angle.

If teams want having the ref check a replay over the huge decisions will add almost no time to any game, and end up with the massive majority of "big" decisions being right in games.
 
atpbx said:
No, it was a dangerous tackle, and a red card.

Thats why the appeal has been rejected.
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...Cobblers. It was only deemed that in the eyes of the ref and and FA who unfortunately don't play football.

There was no danger, no malice.
Try watching the great tackle again. Its plain to see.

The FA are not known for getting things right much are they? :)

So a good tackle, nothing more, nothing less.
 
alle said:
...Cobblers. It was only deemed that in the eyes of the ref and and FA who unfortunately don't play football.

There was no danger, no malice.
Try watching the great tackle again. Its plain to see.

The FA are not known for getting things right much are they? :)

So a good tackle, nothing more, nothing less.
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Kompany wasn't in control of his body, it was two-footed, it was studs up. To sum up, it was dangerous and it was a red card.

A lack of malice isn't a good defence. Martin Taylor showed no malice when he broke Eduardo's leg. A lack of malice didn't magically heal Eduardo's leg. The rules of the game of there to protect players from injury. It doesn't matter whether the offender is dirty or just clumsy. Clumsy players should learn to avoid making dangerous tackles too.

And again, whether the player got the ball or the didn't injury the player aren't defences either. It was a tackle that had the potential to injury.

Those are the rules of the game and rules that I agree with. I don't want to see my team's best players out injured.
 
...It wasn't two footed, watch the replay again. His feet didn't leave the ground.

You can break your leg stepping of a pavement so no idea why you brought up Eduardo.

The ref is supposed to see 'intent'. The only intent was getting the ball, which he did. The other player didn't complain as he knew he just lost the ball, not that he'd just been fouled by a reckless two footed challenge!

Every tackle has potential for injury. It's a contact sport, there are risks.

That tackle wasn't one of them though.
 
alle said:
...Cobblers. It was only deemed that in the eyes of the ref and and FA who unfortunately don't play football.

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Yeah, unfortunetly, the FA and FIFA makes the rules you play the game by, so your argument is cobblers.

They decide whats bad or not, your opinion on whether its bad or not, doesnt count.
 
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alle said:
The ref is supposed to see 'intent'. The only intent was getting the ball, which he did.
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See the rules:

Serious Foul Play said:
Any player who lunges at an opponent in challenging for the ball from the front, from the side or from behind using one or both legs, with excessive force and endangering the safety of an opponent is guilty of serious foul play.
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There's no mention of intent. Whether the tackle is dirty or clumsy, the result is the same. There's also no mention of it not being a foul if the player wins the ball.
 
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