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i7-975 boxes
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But surely the 975 can reach higher clock speeds? First build with some money to burn, so go easy on me
Only under very good cooling. It'll do just as well as the 920 on air, a bit better on water, better again under phase.
If you've got money to throw away and are using fairly high end watercooling, look at the 950 as the higher multiplier makes motherboard bsck limits less frustrating.
If you've got money to throw away and are using fairly high end watercooling, look at the 950 as the higher multiplier makes motherboard bsck limits less frustrating.
Hmm...well i'm doing this as a kinda project thing anyway - but cheers for the help guys! I'll probably make more posts with more nooby questions sometime soon
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You won't find many people recommending the 975. As said before, get the 920 and spend the rest of the money saved on ssds or a crossfire setup.
Crossfiring two 5970's...eventually
whilst i'm here, can anyone recommend a good monitor to compliment that setup? Plus i read that the 975 does fine with air cooling up to 5ghz, so i may as well
I wouldnt buy a CPU till you find out about the Gulftown that might be out very soon.
Not sure about your budget but i have these ( E2407HDS-B1 - 24" Iiyama PLE2407HDS-B1 Widescreen LCD, 1920 x 1080, 2ms, DVI/HDMI/VGA - 1080p HD Ready) 3 of them should do the trick
Not sure about your budget but i have these ( E2407HDS-B1 - 24" Iiyama PLE2407HDS-B1 Widescreen LCD, 1920 x 1080, 2ms, DVI/HDMI/VGA - 1080p HD Ready) 3 of them should do the trick
I'm searching in the 30" range (ordered a 5970, crossfiring 'em sometime later on)...and the budget is pretty high, since this is a project and is at least gonna take a couple of months
975 = waste of dough
Get moar gfx cards/ssds/bigger screen instead.
Its all about the future proofing!
Good point. Not read much about it...plus i've have to wait for quite a while until they increase the stepping on 'em
Again, thanks for the advice guys! Anyone care to answer my original question?
I learnt long ago it is impossible to future proof, at least to keep up to date all the time. The second you spend a fortune trying to future proof then along come DX12 and Shader Module 5, then once again you are completely out of date for the newest games. Save yourself the money and upgrade in small steps over a long period of time rather than a huge upgrade paying a premium for things that within a year will be out of date.
Aka get an i7 920 and OC it to 4GHz-4.2GHz. You will notice NO difference in games between 4 and 5Ghz. You are spending an extra 500 quid on...nothing.
Ah...but that's just it, isn't it. Sure, you can overclock, run games sweetly, etc etc. But, then again, when the inevitable time comes that dx12 is released, and who knows what else, those who invested in higher tier components ( i'd say the 975 is definitely up there
), then you'll probably find that it will last a lot longer in the long run - plus, i don't see any games being released anytime soon that this build won't be able to handle ( i hope! ) Although i am taking your point into consideration, i would just rather not have to ( in a few years ) have to begin spending a big whack of money on another build just because my old components burned out. Cheers!
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Definitely wait for the 6 core cpus then if you really want to spend that much. It'll be more "futureproof" and the fact that it's on 32nm means that you won't have to worry about new steppings. It will overclock pretty well.
Ah...but that's just it, isn't it. Sure, you can overclock, run games sweetly, etc etc. But, then again, when the inevitable time comes that dx12 is released, and who knows what else, those who invested in higher tier components ( i'd say the 975 is definitely up there
Actually you are wrong lol the 975 and the 920 are EXACTLY the same CPU. The only difference is, is that the 975 may be the CPU range that were picked from the center of the CPU wafer when they are manufactured, so they are very slightly 'better' than the others. This may only mean however, that you can squeeze an extra 50-100MHz out of them, which in reality is absolutely nothing.
CPU's cycle every 2 years~ and in those 2 years the new generation of CPU's almost doubles performance. i7 has been out for a year, in another year the i7 will be out of date and the new generation of CPUs will be out.
You begin to see how the pattern works.
You spend 700 quid on a 975, keep it for 2 years, it is out dated by a year. Pay 200 quid, save 500 quid for almost the same thing. In a years’ time, use 300 quid of that to buy a new CPU. You now have a CPU that is twice as powerful as the one you had, and saved yourself 200 quid. Future proofing is actually a bad investment, same for GPUs.
In about 1 year or more, Intel will release their 8 core CPU, which will make your 4 core 975 look like a terrible investment and leave you feeling like a pranny lol.
As for DX12, a CPU makes no difference, DX12 really only affects graphics. Thus spending over a 1000 quid on a silly OTT SLI investment is another bad idea. Because when it comes out, your DX10/11 cards will be useless if you want to experience DX12.
Yeah, you're probably right Helios. Just don't like the waiting...is the first i9 to be released going to be the best performer? I guess we could turn this into an i9 speculation thread!
Well...what can i say? I hear what you're saying, but then again, i suppose i'm only human. I think right now the best bet would be to wait for the i9 - surely there'll be a point when games can't utilize more than 6 cores into just purely graphics processing, and more into capabilities such as 3d visuals? Incidentally, i admit i'm a bit of an ATi fanboy - crossfiring two 5970's is enough for me! Which also relates to the whole graphical peak i was speaking of - pixels can only do so much. All this outdating you speak of, i think the only outdating that will occur is when entirely new forms of architecture and gpu processing methods are released - which won't be for a good while yet. Plus, don't forget that games are only just starting to catch up with dx11: it'll be a long, long wait for them to catch up with dx12. And, finally, future proofing is virtually impossible, like you said. So i may as well blow some money now, get a high end pc, let it last for a good while, and let it fall into the natural cycle of outdating.
Ah...but that's just it, isn't it. Sure, you can overclock, run games sweetly, etc etc. But, then again, when the inevitable time comes that dx12 is released, and who knows what else, those who invested in higher tier components ( i'd say the 975 is definitely up there
Yes, but the amount your paying for that extra gain now, will get you a lot more extra gain in the future when it's needed.
If you don't have this amount of cash to dispense without worrying to much, you're going to be kicking yourself in 6 months.
Upgrading components is ALWAYS a game of chasing your own tail. Everytime I buy something I look on the net a week later and already want to swap it!
Do not use the word invest when you're referring to high-end components
In 5 years it'll be one of those **** bits we've all got draws full of!Yes, but the amount your paying for that extra gain now, will get you a lot more extra gain in the future when it's needed.
If you don't have this amount of cash to dispense without worrying to much, you're going to be kicking yourself in 6 months.
Upgrading components is ALWAYS a game of chasing your own tail. Everytime I buy something I look on the net a week later and already want to swap it!
Do not use the word invest when you're referring to high-end components
There's no way to avoid outdating; its constantly happening.
It's mad that people still think that future proofing makes economic sense. Rapid depreciation makes components a terrible thing to invest in. The only sensible time to get a 975 is if you just don't care about blowing £600 on sod all performance or if you're going for phase cooling and really care about 300mhz.
The standard argument is buy a fast computer now, it'll still be fast far into the future. While true, it can't justify the price gap between 920 and 975 as they'll last exactly as long as each other.
The standard argument is buy a fast computer now, it'll still be fast far into the future. While true, it can't justify the price gap between 920 and 975 as they'll last exactly as long as each other.