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Soldato
You aren't serious yes? Where base your argument that he has an agenda?
Please speak, don't hide behind "you are so funny". You criticize someone just because you do not like the data, having bought a product that cannot be justified in your mind?
Do you want me to find your own posts, in relation to 95W TDP, in this very discussion?
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When I got back into PC building recently since the 2600k era, it was clear that youtube influencers have a lot of pull. Outside of the many people I looked at for different perspectives to come upto speed, I found 2 of the more popular youtubers to be a major turn off.
Hardwareunboxed. I found them to be quite sensationalist and focused on drama.
Hardwarecanucks. The RGB of the PC enthusiast community. More focused on style and aesthetics than actual content.
Soldato
this this this. Right on the money. Plus Hardwarecanucks is a TOTAL Nvidia shill.
Indeed Canucks seem to get worse and worse and Hardware Unboxed have become a AMD shill pretty much although maybe they are just latching onto the general Intel/Nvidia will eat your babies feeling and going after the hits.
Soldato
Some on this discussion want me to go and quote here their "95W TDP only" posts, when many pointed at them the obvious, that it will burn a lot of power.....
Makes me want to quote the nonsense others posted in reply to the members that pointed out the 8 core skylake chips would be hot, expensive and broken
Soldato
Anandtech have a good write up on "Why Intel Processors Draw More Power Than Expected: TDP and Turbo Explained" for those members that can read more than one sentence without getting confused.
https://www.anandtech.com/show/13544/why-intel-processors-draw-more-power-than-expected-tdp-turbo
Problem with a lot of people here is they have one system and zero exposure to alternative hardware, or have no clue how electronics actually work. They also tend to have choice-supportive bias since they spent money on something, rather that having an objective view point if no money was spent.
Pretty large generalisation on my part, but I stand by it as I talk/work with people on a daily basis who know more about "computers" that the average person but are still idiots.
https://www.anandtech.com/show/13544/why-intel-processors-draw-more-power-than-expected-tdp-turbo
Problem with a lot of people here is they have one system and zero exposure to alternative hardware, or have no clue how electronics actually work. They also tend to have choice-supportive bias since they spent money on something, rather that having an objective view point if no money was spent.
Pretty large generalisation on my part, but I stand by it as I talk/work with people on a daily basis who know more about "computers" that the average person but are still idiots.
Soldato
I do not believe any was confused, especially those who insulted the members who pointed at them that it wont consume 95W at full speed, but only at stock speeds.
Which was expected from an 8 core at 5Ghz to not consume 95W, when already the 6 core part doesn't also for over a year now. Even the 5Ghz 8600K needs ~98W. A chip without HT.
LOL you people are highly amusing
All i said was the hardware unboxed guy has some kind of agenda... i didn't attack him like it was claimed or question or argue or disagree with any of his data.. in fact i made NO comment at all about the content in his videos all i said is he has an agenda with some of his 9900k videos
what that agenda is who knows maybe he is trying to create controversy to get more views
maybe he is trying to gain favour with AMD fans and Ryzen owners so they sub to his channel who knows and when i really think about it i dont really care anyway
and searching my previous posts to see if i bought a 9900k or find out if i posted anything about the 95w TDP? seriously?
go ahead search away ill be interested to see what you find
It is interesting from the Hardware Unboxed video that when the Intel is restricted to 95W it performs about the same as a 2700X running at 105W. So it would seem that Intel’s old 14nm++ tech can still hold it’s own against AMD’s 12nm. It is either more efficient or faster depending on how much power you feed it.
Soldato
The 10W extra power consumption on 2700X, you need to keep the 9900K at 95W cap, for the next 242,500 hours (27 years and 241 days of 24/7 usage at 100% load) to pay off the higher price.
I don't think this can be called "efficient". Can provide the maths if needed, it only took me 3 minutes to calculate it based on UK power prices.
His context was power efficiency. Those maths take a split second to process - it's 10W more efficient.
My 9900k arrived, hits 5ghz at 1.3v without much trouble. Sadly my ITX Z370 motherboard seems to be holding it back.
When I load up prime95 and have XTU running after about 1 minute under load it drops every few moments to 4ghz. Seems this is being caused by my motherboard VRMs and the limitations of an ITX Z370 board.
Running an Asus Z370-I. Sadly my case will only take an m atx and I don't think any of those boards are actually better than my current.
When I load up prime95 and have XTU running after about 1 minute under load it drops every few moments to 4ghz. Seems this is being caused by my motherboard VRMs and the limitations of an ITX Z370 board.
Running an Asus Z370-I. Sadly my case will only take an m atx and I don't think any of those boards are actually better than my current.
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Does it manage to do 5ghz on all cores comfortably?
Yea, I just removed all my motherboards power limits got my memory stable at max clocks. Started at 4.8ghz then gradually moved up. It feels like with better cooling and a more capable motherboard it could quite easily go further.
But for an ITX last gen board and air it doesn't feel too bad. There is a good overclocking guide der8auer posted which was mostly relevant.
Soldato
And £300 more expensive...... So it is not efficient when you have to spend all the electricity savings up front for the next 28 years, assuming both systems work at 100% load 24-7-365. If any less lets say 12 hours per day, that figure goes to 56 years.
There is nothing efficient here, not even logically and mathematically.
Soldato
I'm pretty sure they were referring to the efficiency of the process, to be able to sustain a higher clock speed at lower voltage.
Soldato
No electricity.
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Well it has been a long time since I have posted on here, been out of the loop for a while due to unforeseen circumstances, but today I am awaiting delivery of my first new cpu and mobo for some time. Got a 9900k and Asus XI hero coming, currently have a 7700k and IX Apex, have been hoping that an Apex would be released soon but got fed up waiting. So the Hero is a stop gap really.
I have read all the stuff and watched loads of youtube videos about the 9900k and the Hero's VRM, and as an experienced overclocker it has not made me think that the kit wont be up to the job, will come back with my findings after extensive testing.
I have read all the stuff and watched loads of youtube videos about the 9900k and the Hero's VRM, and as an experienced overclocker it has not made me think that the kit wont be up to the job, will come back with my findings after extensive testing.