If enough people think something, does it become true?

Tunney said:
If you'd wanted to discuss this in a sensible manner, maybe you should have chosen a less divisive example. Like the £350 million for the NHS bus or Hitler. :p
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What this one?

Yes I know there is more to it than that. But everyone keeps going on about the bus. But no-where on the BUS does it say WE WILL fund the NHS with the £350 million instead.
 
I am guessing that this been discussed many many times before in the 'Trump' thread in Speakers, but would it make a difference to any of you if Trump's 'p***y' grabbing conversation was just male manufactured bravado?
 
Vonhelmet said:
I don't understand why people think being in the "locker room" makes it ok to talk about sexual assault the way he was.
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If women/foreigns/disabled/other groups can't hear you put them down, then it is obviously no harm to anyone and is a perfectly, socially acceptable way way to boost personal confidence... right?

:p
 
subbytna said:
Lefties now saying the poppy is racist! Words fail me.
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Only a small minority of nut cases, so there's no need to get a hard on over some anti poppy movement. There was a time where some political groups which have been considered as racist adopted the symbol to capitalise on the support it already had. These groups used poppys, pictures of dead soldiers (against their family wishes) and social media to line their pockets and wage some hate campaign. I think you have the far right as much as the far left to blame for this anti-poppy movement.


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So i can understand why as the some groups are associating modern racist movements with poppys, despite it being wrong. I myself am foreign and am wear a lovely enamel poppy lapel pin right now, though normally i wear a white peace poppy.
 
Avenged7Fold said:
If women/foreigns/disabled/other groups can't hear you put them down, then it is obviously no harm to anyone and is a perfectly, socially acceptable way way to boost personal confidence... right?

:p
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Unfortunately however awful it is, it seems to be a normal part of society.

All of us have at some point made reference to another individual behind closed doors in a poor, inhuman, socially unacceptable way. To judge someone on a throwaway comment is a failure to accept that everybody's **** stinks to some degree, and we all make mistakes. Those mistakes in most cases do not define a person.

I have the same view on Jared O'Mara and the hounding he has been given. I am more concerned that he might have called some Tinder wannabe an 'ugly b****' to her face than the fact that he made some homophobic comments behind his keyboard 10 years ago,

Now if an individual brings some tangibility to his or her commentary then its a different problem altogether, and there is ZERO place for it in society.
 
subbytna said:
http://www.independent.co.uk/voices...ance-day-first-world-war-second-a7394976.html

Lefties now saying the poppy is racist! Words fail me.
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To be fair I've not worn a poppy for years and don't intend to do so again. I can't be bothered being involved in it or engaging with the debate on it at all, it's just turning into a ridiculous political football over who uses the symbols, who wears poppies and where and when and what it means...

I'll just quietly give to an armed forces charity and that's enough for me. I don't need to wear a poppy to do that.
 
mattyg said:
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What this one?

Yes I know there is more to it than that. But everyone keeps going on about the bus. But no-where on the BUS does it say WE WILL fund the NHS with the £350 million instead.
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They had posters saying they would give the money.

Besides, "let's" implies a desire to do something, unless you apply absurd mental gymnastics to the common use of words.
 
Tunney said:
The lie is that we send £350 million a week to the EU and that we’ll have an extra £350 million to spend when we leave. People believed it. Boris is still talking about an extra £350 million a week for the NHS.
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Vonhelmet said:
They had posters saying they would give the money.

Besides, "let's" implies a desire to do something, unless you apply absurd mental gymnastics to the common use of words.
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Hence why I said I know there is more to it than that. But it was a specific reply to the BUS. Not other evidence that goes with it. Most people on facebook (I know! sorry) keep quoting about the bus " The bus said we'd spend it on the NHS instead" Where the bus is being ambiguous at best. But that advertising for you. Everyone has the best product etc.

But I'm talking solely about the bus. As thats what grabbed the headlines at the time
 
Don't know how many times I Have to tell people this about the 'Grab em by the pu**y' comment.

CONTEXT PEOPLE.

FREAKING CONTEXT.

He was describing the fact that when you're rich and famous WOMEN let you grab them by the 'Pu**y'.

For gods sake, if you actually did some research into it you'd understand this. Its more a sad reflection on the state of young womens minds these days than Trumps attitude to women.
 
Vonhelmet said:
To be fair I've not worn a poppy for years and don't intend to do so again. I can't be bothered being involved in it or engaging with the debate on it at all, it's just turning into a ridiculous political football over who uses the symbols, who wears poppies and where and when and what it means...

I'll just quietly give to an armed forces charity and that's enough for me. I don't need to wear a poppy to do that.
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Same. It's just one of those things that people use to trip other people up, it's reached "why didn't you use the word Easter/Christmas" levels of tedium.
 
Caged said:
Same. It's just one of those things that people use to trip other people up, it's reached "why didn't you use the word Easter/Christmas" levels of tedium.
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I agree but due to the company i work for, i feel that not wearing a poppy can invite a response or two from some of the older clients/customers that visit the office, as we are considered a very 'traditional' British company and deal with a lot of army/navy museums.
 
mattyg said:
Hence why I said I know there is more to it than that. But it was a specific reply to the BUS. Not other evidence that goes with it.
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I’m being speicifc about the bus too. The £350 million figure written in big letters on the bus is a lie. We don’t send £350 million a week to the EU and we won’t have an extra £350 million to spend - on the NHS or anything else - once we leave the EU.
 
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