If the charges aren't dropped....

valerian said:
like or not, corporal punishment had its uses, there was more respect in society, it seems to me that nowadays that nothing is off limits,
kids beating up the elderly, stabbing passers by,
and to put the cherry on the cake, the litigation culture.
eg. its not my son's fault he killed someone, or took drugs, he was bored, didnt have anywhere to hang out at night blah blah.

its not my daughters fault shes up the duff at 12,,,,the school didnt tell her about sex,,,,,wtf

need i go on
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That's all rather an exaggeration. I don't think corporal punishment is necessary and it wouldn't be tolerated nowadays. There are as many horror stories attached to corporal punishment as there are supposed success stories. Not only that, some incidents would be classed as child abuse in today's society.
 
The problem I have with this case is the charge. I don't thing getting angry at someone and throwing something at someone constitutes attempted murder.

So all of you shouting "Why would anyone support an attempted murderer?" get off your high horses. It's at most GBH.
 
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valerian said:
like or not, corporal punishment had its uses, there was more respect in society, it seems to me that nowadays that nothing is off limits,
kids beating up the elderly, stabbing passers by,
and to put the cherry on the cake, the litigation culture.
eg. its not my son's fault he killed someone, or took drugs, he was bored, didnt have anywhere to hang out at night blah blah.

its not my daughters fault shes up the duff at 12,,,,the school didnt tell her about sex,,,,,wtf

need i go on
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I agree with what you are saying but boy your grammar is bad! :p ;)
 
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BigglesPiP said:
The problem I have with this case is the charge. I don't thing getting angry at someone and throwing something at someone constitutes attempted murder.

So all of you shouting "Why would anyone support an attempted murderer?" get off your high horses. It's GBH.
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What about him shouting "Somebody is going to get killed" in the class?
 
Jeff Lynne said:
I don't think he did.

He was shown disrespect and provoked by one person. Then turned on by everyone else in the room, one of which made himself the centre of attention, The teacher then grabbed the nearest thing and hit him with it. He didn't attempt to murder anyone.

Likelyhood is that he shouldn't have been put in that situation given his previous ill health but there is no way that he should be charged with attempted murder.

If the kid pulls through fine then they should both apologise to each other, then as has been said the kid will think twice before being a gobby little turd and the teacher should be pensioned off.
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I find your take quite surprising. As much as i sympathise with the teachers of today, they don't have to do that job. There is always a choice. 1000's of teachers also have to put up with it every single day.

Plus its not as if he threw a piece of chalk or even a book at him. He picked up a heavy weight and smashed him round the head with it. He is a fully grown man against an unarmed teenager, he would need no weapon to sort him out.
 
Jeff Lynne said:
I don't think he did.

He was shown disrespect and provoked by one person. Then turned on by everyone else in the room, one of which made himself the centre of attention, The teacher then grabbed the nearest thing and hit him with it. He didn't attempt to murder anyone.

Likelyhood is that he shouldn't have been put in that situation given his previous ill health but there is no way that he should be charged with attempted murder.

If the kid pulls through fine then they should both apologise to each other, then as has been said the kid will think twice before being a gobby little turd and the teacher should be pensioned off.
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Er not really. If the nearest thing was a knife, would it be attempted murder then? Hitting someone with a 2kg weight is suspect at best. I'm unsure as to why he didnt just punch the kid in the face; probably more fun and less dangerous.
 
its above in a few posts i think Biggles.

regardless of the reason, shouting what he did and holding the kid to smash his head in, is nearest damn it attempted murder.

any teacher seriously thinking of supporting him for this would be stupid.
 
Goksly said:
Er not really. If the nearest thing was a knife, would it be attempted murder then? Hitting someone with a 2kg weight is suspect at best. I'm unsure as to why he didnt just punch the kid in the face; probably more fun and less dangerous.
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anything can be a weapon, picking something up to use as a weapon implies pre meditation.
the man deserves all he gets (if the reports are near as true as they would like to be)
 
Teachers can control a class. They just don't need to be so damned authoritarian about it.

Note that the successful teachers are the ones that don't mind talking in class, that don't hand out detentions for every minor thing, and most importantly, that don't hit people round the head with heavy objects. :/

@the obnoxious teenagers thing: it's pretty annoying for students as well, all those obnoxious teachers acting like they're a source of authority.
 
BigglesPiP said:
The problem I have with this case is the charge. I don't thing getting angry at someone and throwing something at someone constitutes attempted murder.

So all of you shouting "Why would anyone support an attempted murderer?" get off your high horses. It's at most GBH.
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Morba said:
its above in a few posts i think Biggles.

regardless of the reason, shouting what he did and holding the kid to smash his head in, is nearest damn it attempted murder.
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Missing.String said:
Teachers can control a class. They just don't need to be so damned authoritarian about it.

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I disagree (to some extent) with your post. A teacher needs to be authoritarian and in control. This doesn't mean he or she won't let the class have a laugh or joke when appropriate but they had better know when to put up and shut up.

All this can be done without any form of physical contact. However the teacher is in charge and the kids need to learn that lesson. The teacher isn't their friend or pal or equal.
 
The teacher couldn't control an unruly classroom, many (perhaps most) teachers can.

But should crowd control be a requirement for teaching, isn't being a good teacher enough?

I'd say bring back corporal punishment, it's easier and doesn't need special talents to perform, and despite what we're told, it works pretty well.

The alternative is teachers who can't control the mob (and really, why should they?) being put in impossible positions and eventually snapping like this.
 
Gaijin said:
I find your take quite surprising. As much as i sympathise with the teachers of today, they don't have to do that job. There is always a choice. 1000's of teachers also have to put up with it every single day.

Plus its not as if he threw a piece of chalk or even a book at him. He picked up a heavy weight and smashed him round the head with it. He is a fully grown man against an unarmed teenager, he would need no weapon to sort him out.
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Being a teacher is a career though isn't it? It's not really a job like working in a petrol station, I can't agree with you on that, you don't just give it up.
 
Missing.String said:
Teachers can control a class. They just don't need to be so damned authoritarian about it.
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While that is true, controlling kids can be tough. I think help should be given to them and certain schools should bring back the ruler on the back of the hand treatment.... then parents can decide which school they want their kids to go to.
 
Absolutely no excuse at all, if he couldn't handle them then he gets help and classroom management is sorted out.

I was at a Careers Fair 2 weeks ago where around a 1000 year 9/10 & 11s go to.
When I got there I noticed a NHS stand next to the 4 we were going to setup but hadn't got a clue who it was but eventually I spoke to the bloke and he was related to another Trust.
The kids came in and one stall had got balloons which were being blown up and some were being burst.
The bloke from the NHS stand asked a lad not to burst another balloon and you knew what was going to happen.
A balloon burst and the bloke ran over to the 14 year old lad and in front of around 100 students and 30 staff he screamed at the top of his voice "You little b******, if you do that again I'll take your ****ing head off, in fact let's go outside and sort this ****ing out".
The teacher came over to ask what had happened and the bloke said "That little **** there, I'll ****ing kill him"
At this point everyone in the room was :eek: and the bloke walked out.
Within seconds I'd got staff asking if he was anything to do with me and a 1000 other questions.
He eventually came back in, saw people talking to me and when the kids had gone he called me over -
I've heard you've put a complaint in against me
No
That's what I've heard
I stood right in his face and said You'd ****ing know if I'd put a complaint in now **** off. What you did was so unprofessional and I won't be surprised if the school put a complaint in.

About 1 hour later I get a phone call off my manager because HR had been in touch thinking it was me threatening the kid.
The bloke is suspended and I hope he never works around children again.
 
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