The problem is arrogant teenagers believing there isn't any authority - the teachers ARE in control, they ARE in a position of authority over the children under their control.
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The problem is arrogant teenagers believing there isn't any authority - the teachers ARE in control, they ARE in a position of authority over the children under their control.
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In this instance, the authority is a relationship which requires more than one party to believe it; unless the teacher decides to resort to violence a la this situation, they have no control over the students. This is why teachers need to appeal to students for education to work properly. Aggravating students makes the teacher more hated and then the system starts falling down around you.
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If it was your stall and they were popping your ballons how would you have dealt with the situation?Absolutely no excuse at all, if he couldn't handle them then he gets help and classroom management is sorted out.
I was at a Careers Fair 2 weeks ago where around a 1000 year 9/10 & 11s go to.
When I got there I noticed a NHS stand next to the 4 we were going to setup but hadn't got a clue who it was but eventually I spoke to the bloke and he was related to another Trust.
The kids came in and one stall had got balloons which were being blown up and some were being burst.
The bloke from the NHS stand asked a lad not to burst another balloon and you knew what was going to happen.
A balloon burst and the bloke ran over to the 14 year old lad and in front of around 100 students and 30 staff he screamed at the top of his voice "You little b******, if you do that again I'll take your ****ing head off, in fact let's go outside and sort this ****ing out".
The teacher came over to ask what had happened and the bloke said "That little **** there, I'll ****ing kill him"
At this point everyone in the room wasand the bloke walked out.
Within seconds I'd got staff asking if he was anything to do with me and a 1000 other questions.
He eventually came back in, saw people talking to me and when the kids had gone he called me over -
I've heard you've put a complaint in against me
No
That's what I've heard
I stood right in his face and said You'd ****ing know if I'd put a complaint in now **** off. What you did was so unprofessional and I won't be surprised if the school put a complaint in.
About 1 hour later I get a phone call off my manager because HR had been in touch thinking it was me threatening the kid.
The bloke is suspended and I hope he never works around children again.
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So what do you think should be used as an alternative to restore respect?
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It's probably a difficult questions to answer, knowing that there are vagaries up and down the country but are class sizes generally still around the 30 mark and do teachers now have teaching assistants?
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Electric shock collars
picked the kid up, turned him over and piledrived him into the floor. bounced off a balloon and dropped the peoples elbow on him.
Most normal people, who have any sense, would not have done with either people in these scenarios have done.
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I would have took the balloons away
Do the police have to appeal to criminals to be nice?
Your statement is correct in so far that teachers are not able to control children as the tools have been taken away from them.
You remove the ability to send a pupil to the headmaster for the cane and you end up with the stress building up until a mild mannered teacher blows his top and does something like this.
Teachers can't even expel children these days as the process is so long winded and in the child's favour you virtually need to be a mass murder to get kicked out.
About time we stopped thinking about the rights of trouble makers and gave some thought to the rights of the majority of school children to a decent education.
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What kind of message does that send out to the kids popping ballonon?
1) They're not your balloons.
2) What do you do when a kid becomes aggressive and demands them back?
I think the only answer is you would ignore the balloon popping and put up with it, because there's not a damn thing you can do about it.
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You know the answer don't you? Every teacher needs to be cool.
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They do though. Guy threatened someone with a knife, got expelled and became a student at/got moved to my school.
The problem with expulsion is the students end up becoming someone else's burden.
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Right, so...
Teacher returns to work having had a stroke. Is seen talking to himsilf etc. Class sings Jackson's Psyco in the mirror. Girl tears up a book, teacher tries to kick her. Kid steps in, but is dragged off and smacked with a metal weight. Teacher then says "Someone is going to die".
One paper is also claiming someone told him to "**** off and have another stroke."
I still don't think an attempted murder charge will stand.
Teacher returns to work having had a stroke. Is seen talking to himsilf etc. Class sings Jackson's Psyco in the mirror. Girl tears up a book, teacher tries to kick her. Kid steps in, but is dragged off and smacked with a metal weight. Teacher then says "Someone is going to die".
One paper is also claiming someone told him to "**** off and have another stroke."
I still don't think an attempted murder charge will stand.
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A criminal has broken the law; a teenager being slightly irritable in a classroom has not.
Imo if the teacher cannot deal with the stress and feels the need to abuse the pupils in their classroom as a way of venting, they should not be allowed to teach.
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girl tears up book
teacher kicks bag
kids sing a song and swear at him
teacher picks up a weapon, drags kid into another area, holds him and hits him in the head so that he has serious head injuries while shouting 'someone is going to die'
Now, attempted murder?
they are his balloons as they would be on HIS stand that HE has put up. He would be within his rights to take the balloons down and put them out of sight.
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I feel sorry for the guy that he's up for attempted murder. Having seen what a few pupils in a class of 30 can provoke a teacher into I'm not surprised he lost the plot after being off with stress.
A tech teacher at my school lost the plot and chucked a bit of wood of a desk full force,it ended up hitting some girl in the face and he was off work for quite a while after that. He was the sort of teacher even the bad kids feared though,would shout so loud right in your face.
Also knowing what kids of that age are like they will have made it look so bad for the teacher it's unreal!
A tech teacher at my school lost the plot and chucked a bit of wood of a desk full force,it ended up hitting some girl in the face and he was off work for quite a while after that. He was the sort of teacher even the bad kids feared though,would shout so loud right in your face.
Also knowing what kids of that age are like they will have made it look so bad for the teacher it's unreal!