If the charges aren't dropped....

[Hutch]

You get good and bad examples of people providing a service in every job type. Whether its flipping burgers, teaching or policing or whatever.

I always had respect for my teachers when I was in school, regardless of whether they were good or bad, and some were considerably better than others. I don't see why someone could get offended by the idea that they should respect their teachers, but then there does seem to be a lack of respect these days anyway (Both from kids and adults I think - I'm afraid to say that given the actions of most i encounter these days I have little respect for any children even if tarring them all with the same brush is unfair).

Anyway to the subject at hand, i think the poor guy does deserve some sympathy, clearly he was in the wrong profession. Doesnt excuse what he did but I could see myself reacting in a similar way given the same provocation..

 

[singist]

If a teacher doesn't have to earn respect, neither does anyone else.

I don't see what the big problem is, it's not hard to show someone respect. I'd hate to have some of you as my parents. Respect is something everyone (apart from the obvious, criminals, etc...) has the right to, doesn't matter who you are, or what you do. You could be 5 or 95, you both deserve the same amount of respect..... snip

I can see that you and I will not agree but for the record:

The problem is ...... children who are unable to look after themselves, have no experience of life, very little knowledge of anything, and contribute almost zero to those who care for and help them, thinking that they have a right to respect from adults ..... they don't! end of.

A child is a child and should be protected and nurtured and respected as a human being; they should NOT be treated as adults or given the same respect or rights until they have earned them by showing that they are responsible, decent humans.

A teacher is someone who is doing a job of trying to give their charges a good education so that they may become useful, happy and productive members of society; for that alone, they should be given automatic respect (unless of course they are truly bad people).

What's more ...... who the **** do children think they are to be judging whether a teacher is good or bad?

Far too many smart arse, know-it-all little children who feel that they are equal to adults when they are not. They are happy to take but seem to feel that they are 'entitled' to what they are given rather than be grateful and appreciative.

 

[Caseh]

I can see that you and I will not agree.

A child is a child and should be protected and nurtured and respected as a human being; they should NOT be treated as adults or given the same respect or rights until they have earned them by showing that they are responsible, decent humans.

Firstly; I guess not, but that is the good thing about opinions, everyone has a different one.

But I feel that everyone should have the respect of another, unless, of course they do something which is reason enough for them to lose respect. Not the other way round. It's like saying all the kids are animals, and are not worthy of it, until they prove otherwise.

It's possible, and quite probable people strongly disagree with me, but mutual respect amongst all human beings is something i do and always have felt strongly about.

The good thing is, none of us are right or wrong, imo.

 

[Morba]

In my day the parent would support the schools decision and you would live in fear that your parents would find out because you'd get it again.
This was exactly the same with coppers - a copper would smack you round the head and tell you to not do it again and you would poo yourself if your parents found out.
Nowadays parents are battering down school doors if little Johnny has been looked at funny.

I think this is a major part of the issue and why discipline in schools seems to be going downwards.
in years gone by, the punishment at school would be harsh but less so than that at home and certainly less from the law

these days, children are being brought up by parents with no discipline of their own, the law is soft on kids.
how can teachers hand out discipline when it would be more than what the kid would get at home or from the law.

 

[Tefal]

respect is irrelevent, the only thing that is important is obedience, to keep the fear of punishment constant, and then punish the entire class for stupid reasons constantly until no-one does anything because they end up facing insanely over the top consequences. The only choice left is leave the school or fall in line, and thus it works 100%

nothing wrong with what i said, it is a simple technique, which was constant in my secondary school, and it works perfectly as it is exactly the type of way that every single military training works..

few teachers as soon as they walk in everybody is as silent as ann frank when the nazi's walked in

your suppose to hate the teachers, almost everyone does, so did i, untill i grew up

Your 21 so there wouldn't have been corporal punishment, and you where scared of your teachers?

and the "punishments" they handed out.


just lol, from the man would could take any torture thrown at him you where scared of the naughty step.

or did they make you sit in the corner during your lunch break? that must have been horrible for you


ROFL!

 

[Morba]

respect comes from, lets be honest, fear.

no no no no no no no. that is the exact reason why there are so many stabbings and stuff and this stupid idea of people 'not respecting' others so being stabbed/shot/attacked.

 

[Jeff Lynne]

Firstly; I guess not, but that is the good thing about opinions, everyone has a different one.

But I feel that everyone should have the respect of another, unless, of course they do something which is reason enough for them to lose respect. Not the other way round. It's like saying all the kids are animals, and are not worthy of it, until they prove otherwise.

It's possible, and quite probable people strongly disagree with me, but mutual respect amongst all human beings is something i do and always have felt strongly about.

The good thing is, none of us are right or wrong, imo.

How old are you Cas?

 

[Jeff Lynne]

no no no no no no no. that is the exact reason why there are so many stabbings and stuff and this stupid idea of people 'not respecting' others so being stabbed/shot/attacked.

You're confusing respect with "respeck", or God knows what the definition is of the word that the horrible, horrible black culture has introduced to the mindset of young people nowadays.

 

[Caseh]

How old are you Cas?

I'm 20 as i said earlier in the thread. I also said i could only speak from my own experiences.

 

[Missing.String]

You're confusing respect with "respeck", or God knows what the definition is of the word that the horrible, horrible black culture has introduced to the mindset of young people nowadays.

I would argue that your dream culture promotes violence and is therefore a much more horrible mindset.

 

[Hatter The Mad]

You're confusing respect with "respeck", or God knows what the definition is of the word that the horrible, horrible black culture has introduced to the mindset of young people nowadays.

Actually, it stems from the Italian Mafia commanding their 'respect' (which they mistook, it was actually fear that they were creating - not earning respect).

 

[Jeff Lynne]

I would argue that your dream culture promotes violence and is therefore a much more horrible mindset.

 

[Hutch]

I would argue that your dream culture promotes violence and is therefore a much more horrible mindset.

You what?

 

[Chimerical]

You're confusing respect with "respeck", or God knows what the definition is of the word that the horrible, horrible black culture has introduced to the mindset of young people nowadays.

Was that necessary?

(Yes, I'm aware of the irony of my sig).

 

[Missing.String]

You obviously think it's acceptable to hit children over the head with weights. To me, that ever so slightly says you think violence to solve problems is ok.

 

[Jeff Lynne]

You obviously think it's acceptable to hit children over the head with weights. To me, that ever so slightly says you think violence to solve problems is ok.

I don't.

All I've ever said is that I don't think the teacher should be charged, let alone charged with attempted murder.

 

[Missing.String]

I don't.

All I've ever said is that I don't think the teacher should be charged, let alone charged with attempted murder.

Which pretty much says you're fine with this happening, no? Surely if you disagreed with it the teacher would be in the wrong and therefore deserve punishment?

 

[Spitfir3]

Got to agree with everyone here. If you've got an unruly pupil, you seek assistance from other teachers or the police. You don't hospitalise the guy. Basic common sense. The only valid exception would be if you genuinely believed you (or other pupils) were in immediate risk of losing your own lives.

Even in the unlikely event that the charges do get dropped, he'll never teach again - too much of a risk.

Yes because after a mental breakdown you really are going to use reason and "common sense"

 

[Jeff Lynne]

Which pretty much says you're fine with this happening, no? Surely if you disagreed with it the teacher would be in the wrong and therefore deserve punishment?

You can think what you like but if people like this kid play with fire eventually they're going to get burned.

As an aside and I'm sure I'll get slaughtered for this but I've just read that his heavily pregnant single mother is keeping a vigil at his hospital bedside. She's expecting her fourth child.

Nice stable family background there for the little angel eh?

I'm quite satisfied that the kid got his just desserts, I only hope for his sake that he recovers and learns from it. I have every bit of sympathy for the teacher.

 

[RDM]

I'm quite satisfied that the kid got his just desserts, I only hope for his sake that he recovers and learns from it. I have every bit of sympathy for the teacher.

So for swearing at a teacher he deserved to be hospitalised? What a warped world you live in.